Here's one for you guys.....

[Ralph Damren]

I'm still the state interp, until a new one is elected in late October. This came from a game this past weekend....

SCENE: 4/10 @ 50

ACT I: A1 scrambles to B's 38, where he pitches the ball forward to A2 .  IFP.

ACT ii: A2 juggles the IFP,then ball drops to ground.

ACT III: B50 pulls A1 down by FM .

RULINGS...
    If B's PFFM occurs prior  to the ball hitting the ground 
    If B's PFFM occurs after he ball hits the ground 
    If A's IFP occurs at B's 34 

After I hear from you guys, I'll give you my opinion. 

                         

[NVFOA_Ump]

RULINGS...
    1.  If B's PFFM occurs prior  to the ball hitting the ground 
    2.   If B's PFFM occurs after he ball hits the ground 
    3.  If A's IFP occurs at B's 34 
After I hear from you guys, I'll give you my opinion. 
               

1.  Until the ball hits the ground the ball is live so we have two live ball fouls, offsetting fouls, replay the down.
2.  The ball is dead and play over when the ball hits the ground.  Series is over, 1st & 10 for B, after the DB-PF is enforced for the PF-FM against B.
3.  Don't see how this impacts the results if 1 and 2 above?


The key here is the status of the ball at the time each of the penalties are called.

[Steely Dan]

Act ii:  Possible fumble?

[ElvisLives]

3.  Don't see how this impacts the results if 1 and 2 above?

After the penalty for the live-ball illegal forward pass foul, would the ball still be beyond the line to gain, i.e., a new series for Team A? Then, would the penalty for the dead-ball facemask foul advance the ball farther into B’s territory?

[NVFOA_Ump]

Act ii:  Possible fumble?

Can't have a fumble on an IFP?

[refjeff]

1.  Until the ball hits the ground the ball is live so we have two live ball fouls, offsetting fouls, replay the down.
2.  The ball is dead and play over when the ball hits the ground.  Series is over, 1st & 10 for B, after the DB-PF is enforced for the PF-FM against B.
3.  Don't see how this impacts the results if 1 and 2 above?


The key here is the status of the ball at the time each of the penalties are called.

  Agreed, except with #2 we're going to walk off 5 yards for the IFP because it is also a loss of down.  Then the 15 the other way for the PFFM.

[refjeff]

After the penalty for the live-ball illegal forward pass foul, would the ball still be beyond the line to gain, i.e., a new series for Team A? Then, would the penalty for the dead-ball facemask foul advance the ball farther into B’s territory?

Oh yeah.  I didn't see it either.  If the IFP happened on the 34, even after the 5 yard penalty A would have a 1st down.  (Assuming the PFFM was dead ball.)

[Ralph Damren]

Can't have a fumble on an IFP?

NVFOA is correct ,4-2-2d kills the play when dropped. If you ruled B2 had possession and then dropped the ball, that could be considered a fumble. NVFOA nailed #1`& #2 --congrats

Elvis nailed #3, even with the LOD componnent, the 5 yd markoff from the 34 wouldn't bring the ball back inside the original series. A would have a new series from B's 39 followed by a markoff down  to B's 24 for DBFM...congrats 

When in doubt of the timing, I would rule offsetting live ball fouls and replay the down.

[sj]

NVFOA is correct ,4-2-2d kills the play when dropped. If you ruled B2 had possession and then dropped the ball, that could be considered a fumble. NVFOA nailed #1`& #2 --congrats

Elvis nailed #3, even with the LOD componnent, the 5 yd markoff from the 34 wouldn't bring the ball back inside the original series. A would have a new series from B's 39 followed by a markoff down  to B's 24 for DBFM...congrats 

When in doubt of the timing, I would rule offsetting live ball fouls and replay the down.

Always important are the clocks, so taking the situation which leaves A with the ball with A 1/10 @ B24, what would be done with the game clock status, and play clock setting, if the play occurred in each of the following time and score situations:

1) In the middle of the 1st quarter - Tied at 0-0

2) 4th quarter - Team B leads 13-10 - At the end of the down the game clock is stopped at 2:45

3) 4th quarter - Team B leads 13-10 - At the end of the down the game clock is stopped at 1:45

4) 4th quarter - Team A leads 13-10 - At the end of the down the game clock is stopped at 2:45

5) 4th quarter - Team A leads 13-10 - At the end of the down the game clock is stopped at 1:45

[ncwingman]

Always important are the clocks, so taking the situation which leaves A with the ball with A 1/10 @ B24, what would be done with the game clock status, and play clock setting, if the play occurred in each of the following time and score situations:

1) In the middle of the 1st quarter - Tied at 0-0

2) 4th quarter - Team B leads 13-10 - At the end of the down the game clock is stopped at 2:45

3) 4th quarter - Team B leads 13-10 - At the end of the down the game clock is stopped at 1:45

4) 4th quarter - Team A leads 13-10 - At the end of the down the game clock is stopped at 2:45

5) 4th quarter - Team A leads 13-10 - At the end of the down the game clock is stopped at 1:45

There was a foul by A on the play, therefore the play clock will be 25 seconds. The result of the play was an incomplete (illegal) forward pass, therefore the clock will start on the snap. None of those situations change that outcome.

In the broader scope, the team in the lead is not relevant to clock timing in Fed rules like it is in NCAA. Under 2 minutes, the offended team (winning or losing) has the option to hold the game clock to the snap - but since it was already on the snap, that's moot here anyway.

[Steely Dan]

Can't have a fumble on an IFP?

How do you juggle an IFP?  I kinda read Ralph's question as he was going to attempt a pass but started juggling the ball which eventually spilled out of his hands forward.  I misunderstood I guess.

[ncwingman]

How do you juggle an IFP?  I kinda read Ralph's question as he was going to attempt a pass but started juggling the ball which eventually spilled out of his hands forward.  I misunderstood I guess.

A1 pitched the ball forward. A2 juggled and then dropped the pitch that A1 threw.

[bossman72]

I'm still the state interp, until a new one is elected in late October. This came from a game this past weekend....

SCENE: 4/10 @ 50

ACT I: A1 scrambles to B's 38, where he pitches the ball forward to A2 .  IFP.

ACT ii: A2 juggles the IFP,then ball drops to ground.

ACT III: B50 pulls A1 down by FM .

RULINGS...
    If B's PFFM occurs prior  to the ball hitting the ground 
    If B's PFFM occurs after he ball hits the ground 
    If A's IFP occurs at B's 34 

After I hear from you guys, I'll give you my opinion. 

                         

1) Offset.  4/10 @ 50
2) B 1/10 @ A42
3) A 1/10 @ A24.