UIL or TASO

[williebe]

I was just told by a very close friend of TT that on 9/6/10, the UIL will begin registering officials.  According to him, the local chapters will choose which organization to affilliate with, but that all individual officials must register with UIL.

Does anyone know the particulars?  Is there a registration fee?  Is this a result of the recent negotiations?
What's up?

Well if this is true, as we are headed into week 3 of Texas High School Football, I just wonder where they will get the officials to cover ALL the games in Texas. A change like this when the season is underway is just acidnine. Kinda later to knock on doors. I just dont see this happening. I trust our TASO leadership, local leadership, and loyalty of the hundreds of other officials to stick together and make the right decisions.

[TXMike]

If this is true, I suspect all that is happening is they are opening up FREE registration.  An individual might be permitted to go online and "register" with UIL but it would not mean much unless your whole Chapter decided to switch.  They are likely looking ahead to Winter sports and want to get started on implementing whatever they expect they will eventually end up with.  That will probably include some sort of "registration" and for those Chapters which choose to go UIL, perhaps more.

And then again, this may just be pointless speculation.

[ornery1]

Just completed my registration to the UIL. Its been a long time coming, but it is finally here. Free at last oh free at last. Let freedom ring. Tony Timmons you go get busy doing your thang and all will follow. Damn this feels good to tell you all so.

TxMike, Arbitrator, TxDox and Jason    What you going to do now? TASO got you good!!!!

See ya later, I got games to work!!!!!    YES SIR     FREE AT LAST

[TXMike]

Like I said...
From their website:  (Emphasis is theirs)

Registration for officials wishing to officiate with UIL contests will be available immediately. The FREE online registration process consists of two steps. The first step is the creation of an official’s profile associating each official with an approved chapter for directory information. This information will be used to communicate needed sports related information and assign playoff games/matches if necessary. The second step will include completion of the Officials Compliance Program (OCP) as outlined in section 1204 (o) of the C&CR, which is available on the UIL website.

[Arbitrator]

 

Mr. Fitch/Mr. Schumann: It now appears that we have acquiesed long enough with the Manor Road Crowd. It is now time to go ahead in dropping the bomb and refiling the suit, and reupping the UIL registration restraining order! Let's start getting busy!   

[Cooter]

We aren't like the Frenchie Frenchmen...we are willing to fight for what we believe in.

The point several from outside Texas (and a lot inside Texas) are making is that this lawsuit is making us a JOKE.  We were once the premiere high school officiating location - now we are a big reality show.  It will take a long time to regain our reputation after this mess. 

As the all wise RAMBO would say to TASO - "LET IT GO."  TASO will not beat the University of Texas - cover up your TASO tattoos long enough to take an objective look.  TASO lost - if you don't like the result, leave.  If you don't like the TV show - change the channel, etc.

Again - I hope everyone will stay and give it a chance - we need veterans - but the "slip and fall" lawsuit mentality is starting to grain on a lot of folks.

[TXMike]

1 question for you.  Have you ever met or heard TT in person?

[Cooter]

1 question for you.  Have you ever met or heard TT in person?

Yes I have.  Not my favorite person - but passionate about his position.  Twice when he was making the rounds last year to chapter meetings.  After UIL spoke, TASO was given a chance to speak - Ray Parker did a good job too. 

[TXMike]

If that is your impression of him then I can understand your willingness to "go along".  Perhaps I am not as good a judge of people as you because I could never be part of something that gave him ANY control over me at all. 

[Cooter]

If that is your impression of him then I can understand your willingness to "go along".  Perhaps I am not as good a judge of people as you because I could never be part of something that gave him ANY control over me at all. 

Mike - if you lump an entire organization based on one person - or assume everyone in the organization is the same as that person - then the perception of TASO is we are all cruising city parks this Labor Day.  I'm sure you have seen the accolades and awards given to Dr. Charles B over the years.  I trust him to do that which is right - including a change in TTs position.

[TXMike]

I am not lumping them all together.  I am sure the rank and file folks there are doing their best.  I also have great respect for Cliff O.  Used to have the same for B until this episode, where, all of the sudden, after years of coming to our state meetings and telling us how great we are and how thankful he is for us, all of the sudden he wants to dump us.  That made me question his integrity.  As for TT....the record and the video speak for themselves. 

[blindref757]

Mike--any idea of when we are going to hear from TASO?  I would like to know if the registration process that UIL has opened up today is recommended by Fitch.  Is it a part of the negotiation?

Additionally, the previously approved UIL new payscale is supposed to go into effect November 1.  Does that include Week 10 football games including subvarsity?  Playoffs?  Are playoff officials going to have to be UIL officials?

I'm sure these questions will be answered--but it's not like Mike to let UIL beat him to the punch.  There must be some wrangling going on behind the curtain.

[Arbitrator]

Mike - if you lump an entire organization based on one person - or assume everyone in the organization is the same as that person - then the perception of TASO is we are all cruising city parks this Labor Day.  I'm sure you have seen the accolades and awards given to Dr. Charles B over the years.  I trust him to do that which is right - including a change in TTs position.

 

Hate to say it but the   Good UIL Dr. was bad news even years ago when I was Pres of the Houston TASO Basketball Chapter. It was at that juncture where we could definitely see him attempting to play both ends against the middle and advocating the abolition of the varsity basketball gate structure. Bill Farney or Bailey Marshall were never that way. Yes, Good Time Charlie has always been a vocal proponent of telling us what an indespensible organization that TASO is, and an absolute master at trying to stick the pig knife in our backs at every opportune moment.


TASO might well lose this lawsuit, but we'll never know unless we try to ferret the truth out the Manor Road Crowd. And you can continue to rest assured of one thing: the   Good UIL Dr. will still have no respect for TASO, win, lose, or draw. And there is absolutely one thing that you can rest assured of: the   Good UIL Dr. has no intention of firing his Dancing Monkey! They are just way too much alike and are virtual clones of one another! Sort of like Austin Power's Dr. Evil and Mini-Me!

It is all too apparent that the UIL is now using the same modus operandi to go after football just like they did in basketball;  The Good UIL Dr. and his Dancing Monkey will now be invited with opened arms to offer up their dribbling oratory at the various chapter meetings of those weak-kneed TASO football chapters. And such will be the beginning of the UIL's "slash-and-burn" and "divide-and-conquer" strategy that was implemented in their semi-successful takeover attempt of basketball! I would much rather just offer up my retirement and call it a wonderful career under TASO, than to be represented by the UIL ilk.

TASO has only one viable option left: to fight and to fight diligently for it's survival and for the livlihood of those of us who have cared to foster the officiating ideals that TASO has so greatly helped to instill within its membership from day one!  

[JasonTX]

Just completed my registration to the UIL. Its been a long time coming, but it is finally here. Free at last oh free at last. Let freedom ring. Tony Timmons you go get busy doing your thang and all will follow. Damn this feels good to tell you all so.

TxMike, Arbitrator, TxDox and Jason    What you going to do now? TASO got you good!!!!

See ya later, I got games to work!!!!!    YES SIR     FREE AT LAST

So what are you going to do when UIL starts taking things away from you they promised.  What steps can you take if you want change in the UIL leadership?  With TASO, we get to run for a TASO leadership position or cast a vote for someone we want leading us.  Good luck with that with UIL.  You have no voice with the UIL.  As for what I'm going to do.  Not sure about all areas, but the schools around here will use whatever officials are available regardless of the UIL rules.  If all there is are us TASO officials, they will use us regardless of UIL rules.  The UIL can't keep an eye on every school, so I'm in no fear at all about losing any games.    

[TXMike]

Lot's of time between now and Nov 1.  No need to rush into this.  IF, and that is a HUGE IF, come late-October and it looks like there is no way out, then guys can make their decisions.  I know some are already signing up and so be it.  I also hope that if Chapter leaders get asked for their "Top 25 %" come playoff time, they do not hold a person's decision against them, whichever it may be. 

[Etref]

I was just told by a very close friend of TT that on 9/6/10, the UIL will begin registering officials.  According to him, the local chapters will choose which organization to affilliate with, but that all individual officials must register with UIL.

Does anyone know the particulars?  Is there a registration fee?  Is this a result of the recent negotiations?
What's up?

Tell your friend to let Timmons know he can stick it in his............................. ear.

[ornery1]

What happened to all the big talk about "staying together" and "they can't work all the games without us" and "Houston and Dallas won't ever join the UIL"?   I guess with the little spanking you took in the lawsuit that the writing is on the all.    TASO is done, stick a fork in em.

[TXMike]

Getting a little ahead of yourself there aren't you?

There has yet to be (and will not be at least until Nov 1) any varsity game officiated by UIL football officials. 

Nobody knows yet how many people will find whatever the final resolution ( which not even you know what it will be), so unpleasant that they will choose to do something else next Summer and Fall. 

Have Houston and Dallas decided to affilate with the UIL as a Chapter?

If TASO were to go away that would not necessarily and automatically be good for UIL,  or more importantly, for the schools.

[Arbitrator]

What happened to all the big talk about "staying together" and "they can't work all the games without us" and "Houston and Dallas won't ever join the UIL"?   I guess with the little spanking you took in the lawsuit that the writing is on the all.    TASO is done, stick a fork in em.

 

Well, Ornery! It's simply great to see that the UIL is out to attract your type. You couldn't quite hack it in TASO so now you have found an organization that will obviously suit you to a tee. Heck, the Dancing Monkey has probably already favored you with a velvet seat on it's board of directors. You ought to be right at home polishing all of those UIL apples and reffing a lot of one-man mechanics! I still contend that the bulk of TASO football officials will either retire or strike despite the premise that the UIL is covertly hoping that the economy only worsens thereby forcing a number of the TASO people to have to stay in officiating and work their flat-fee games for no particular reason other than it's about the only feasible way for them to be able to help put bread on the table for their families!  

[HAshleyTX]

You couldn't quite hack it in TASO so now you have found an organization that will obviously suit you to a tee.

Maybe this will suit him in the beginning when the UIL is short good officials.  But if he is a bad official he will find himself scooping out beans at the back of the wagon again and nothing the UIL does can change that.

[WABill]

Just completed my registration to the UIL. Its been a long time coming, but it is finally here. Free at last oh free at last. Let freedom ring. Tony Timmons you go get busy doing your thang and all will follow. Damn this feels good to tell you all so.

TxMike, Arbitrator, TxDox and Jason    What you going to do now? TASO got you good!!!!

See ya later, I got games to work!!!!!    YES SIR     FREE AT LAST

I believe this can be best summed up in song.  Make your own choice and live with it.

Now Daddy didn't like trouble, but if it came along
Everyone that knew him knew which side that he'd be on
He never was a hero, or this county's shinin' light
But you could always find him standing up
For what he thought was right

He'd say you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything
You've got to be your own man not a puppet on a string
Never compromise what's right and uphold your family name
You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything

Now we might have been better off or owned a bigger house
If Daddy had done more givin' in or a little more backing down
But we always had plenty just living his advice
Whatever you do today you'll have to sleep with tonight

He'd say you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything
You've got to be your own man not a puppet on a string
Never compromise what's right and uphold your family name
You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything

Now I know that things are different than they were in Daddy's days
But I still believe what makes a man really hasn't changed

You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything
You've got to be your own man not a puppet on a string
Never compromise what's right and uphold your family name
You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything

[Headlinesman]

Mr. Fitch/Mr. Schumann: It now appears that we have acquiesed long enough with the Manor Road Crowd. It is now time to go ahead in dropping the bomb and refiling the suit, and reupping the UIL registration restraining order! Let's start getting busy!   

Arb, I'm sure Mr. Schumann is curious to see if you are going to step up and pay his share of the fine for filing a frivolous lawsuit if and when that day gets here?  There's just so much more at stake here that who gets to assign your games and determines how much money we make.  We're skating on thin ice, and if the ice breaks in a bad way, its only Mr. Schumann who gets both cold and wet!

[DallasLJ]

Oldfart -- no way any court rules this is a frivilous suit.  It is okay to question whether the UIL has the authority to do what it is doing.  No legal risk here, just spending of $.  And if TASO is to be no more, I would rather spend the $ defending TASO's existence.

[TXMike]

What can be done with the money in the coffers anyway?  Might as well spend it in a battle to survive. 

Hard to see how this could be called frivolous in view of the appeals court decision that hinted at suing them individually as a way to a remedy. I don't want it to come to that either but UIL needs to be an honest negotiator here.

[jeffreff]

I was think the same thing Mike. Someone explain to me how the league is conducting honest negotiations by resuming registration of officials and potentially holding the playoffs as hostage.