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Re: UIL or TASO
« Reply #400 on: September 08, 2010, 02:48:12 PM »
Who cares about the playoffs?  They could potentially have a MUCH larger problem the last week of the regular season.  Many more games that week on Nov 5 than there will be in 1st week of playoffs. 

What if the 2 schools in that last week use "non UIL " officials and 1 or both then go to the playoffs.  Could other schools try to block them from going forward due to use of "non UIL" officials?

What a mess.  Someone needs to start doing some thinking for these guys because they seem to be completely incapable of understanding the repercussions of what they are doing, and the timing involved.

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« Reply #401 on: September 08, 2010, 03:09:23 PM »
What a mess.  Someone needs to start doing some thinking for these guys because they seem to be completely incapable of understanding the repercussions of what they are doing, and the timing involved.

I'd just be happy if someone from TASO would just tell me whats going on.  What we have here is a failure to communicate.

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« Reply #402 on: September 08, 2010, 03:13:44 PM »
September 8, 2010
In last week’s update I advised you that in return for the UIL’s apparent willingness to continue our discussions, TASO would hold off in refilling our law suit to prevent their hostile takeover attempt of Texas High School Officiating. All along we knew that this could be a stalling tactic and would be prepared to respond at any time.
Late last week it became apparent that the UIL has no intention to attempt to reach any form of negotiated agreement. As you may know they opened up the Registration Process at their web site early on Monday morning and sent e-mails to all of the officials that they have managed to secure (by whatever means possible) e-mail addresses.
I will say, that they were kind enough to give me advanced notice … I received an e-mail at 12:42 AM on Monday Morning. I imagine they were surprised to find a reply from me less than an hour later.
Yesterday TASO refiled the law suit as outlined by the Third Court of Appeals in their decision on August 27th. The next step will be to schedule a hearing to seek a Temporary Injunction to stop the UIL registration process. This hearing will be scheduled ASAP.
On Tuesday we requested a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) to halt the UIL Registration process pending the hearing for an Injunction. In order for a TRO to be granted a party must show that irreparable harm will result in the absence of the TRO. Based on the fact that the registration deadline is not until November 1, and TASO officials may work UIL games until that point, it really came as no surprise that the TRO request was denied.
Be assured that we will aggressively seek to secure the Temporary Injunction to halt the hostile takeover attempt by the same governing body that is controlled by the public school districts. If this is allowed to happen, the independence of the high school sports officials in Texas will be lost.
It is also important to remember this. Our first suit was dismissed on a technicality, not the merits of the case. The Appeals Court stated in their decision “We express no opinion on the merits of TASO’s ultra vires claims, including whether, in the event that TASO brought these claims against a government officer acting in an official capacity, it could “allege, and ultimately prove, that the officer acted without legal authority or failed to perform a purely ministerial act.”
 
Also not to be forgotten is that when the four decisions have been issued by both the trial and appellate court based on material facts of the case, TASO has won all four.
 
Many of you have been told that you must quickly register with the UIL and that it will be in the best interest of your Chapter to do so. This is just not true. Then deadline is currently November 1st, it makes no difference if you register now or October 31st. If it does, then you should question the motives. It is more likely that those who are urging you to register immediately are doing so for their own self gain.
I urge you to take your time and consider all the facts. Ask yourself why the UIL is so dead set in controlling high school officiating. They say they are not going to charge any money to register … this year, but make no promises about next year, or the next. Why is that? I think I know, but I’ll let you come to your own conclusion.
 I have asked dozens of UIL supporters why they are so pro UIL. Typically the answer I get is simple, it’s that they make play off assignments. I hear a few others, but not a single answer has ever addressed the well being of the body of high school officials … and more importantly, not to the betterment of the student athlete.
In the past week, I have received more than 100 e-mails and phone calls of support for our members. I am encouraged and strengthen by your support. I am more convinced than ever that the over whelming majority of our members want TASO to remain an independent organization OF officials, BY officials and FOR officials.
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« Reply #403 on: September 08, 2010, 03:22:31 PM »
thanks Mike... and Mike...

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« Reply #404 on: September 08, 2010, 05:58:22 PM »
Good letter by Mr. Fitch!

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« Reply #405 on: September 08, 2010, 09:16:26 PM »
What a mess.  Someone needs to start doing some thinking for these guys because they seem to be completely incapable of understanding the repercussions of what they are doing, and the timing involved.


Not surprising.  They meeting this with the same prudence they used in dealing with Swine Flu.
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« Reply #406 on: September 08, 2010, 09:46:43 PM »
Who cares about the playoffs?  They could potentially have a MUCH larger problem the last week of the regular season.  Many more games that week on Nov 5 than there will be in 1st week of playoffs. 

What if the 2 schools in that last week use "non UIL " officials and 1 or both then go to the playoffs.  Could other schools try to block them from going forward due to use of "non UIL" officials?

I care about the playoffs and I am UIL registered and ready for double and triple dippers, if needed. Have bag will travel. You know my number, Mr. Timmons!!!!!

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« Reply #407 on: September 08, 2010, 09:53:36 PM »
UIL deserves some people!

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« Reply #408 on: September 08, 2010, 11:12:15 PM »
Oh I forgot Boss, have bag will travel, and my crew won't charge any mileage and we love the black UIL hat, really outta make it mandatory equipment.

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« Reply #409 on: September 08, 2010, 11:38:13 PM »
Several guys already indicating they will not be available after Nov. 1 as they will not register.  I'm quite sure our schools will still use us regardless of who we affiliate with.  They will not care about what the UIL demands.  In the end, there will just be way too many schools using TASO officials and not a thing the UIL can do about it cause it will be impossible for them to police it.   P_S

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« Reply #410 on: September 08, 2010, 11:56:50 PM »
Oh I forgot Boss, have bag will travel, and my crew won't charge any mileage and we love the black UIL hat, really outta make it mandatory equipment.

You know there is such a thing as trying too hard.
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« Reply #411 on: September 09, 2010, 12:06:45 AM »
You might be trying too hard, but I'm saving my energy for UIL playoffs. Sorry Fellas, it just dont get no better

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« Reply #412 on: September 09, 2010, 12:57:01 AM »
 ^flag

Mr. Fitch: I heartily commend you for a very well-worded letter to the TASO constituency! I, too, do believe that the filing of the second suit should give TASO the needed impetus to further present it's claims vs. the Manor Road Crowd, and ultimately get Good Time Charlie and his Dancing Monkey into the deposition chair.

Turn it all over to Mr. Schumann and let him do his work. And yes: until the UIL was given a repreive on a technicality, Mr. Schumann now knows which way to correctly steer the TASO legal ship. Let the man work! After all, he has won 4 decisions in this case up until this most recent setback~ I truly believe that he could win even more!

Just tell us loyal members of TASO what it is that we can individually do in order to help out!   z^

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« Reply #413 on: September 09, 2010, 05:42:40 AM »
You might be trying too hard, but I'm saving my energy for UIL playoffs. Sorry Fellas, it just dont get no better

Can I buy you lunch?  I would love to sit and chat with you.  I never thought I would meet a walking, talking, pile of excrement but kind of like the Ripley Museum, I've got to see this.  Name the place and the time Tony.

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« Reply #414 on: September 09, 2010, 06:04:47 AM »
One thing we can do is make sure our fellow officials understand they do not need to register right now.  There is a misperception, no doubt well planned, that they have to register immediately.  If UIL has only miniscule numbers of registered football officials as Nov 1 draws near, they will be forced to revisit their plans.  There are some guys who have been waiting for the chance to register with UIL (and most likely have done so already).  There are others who will not register with UIL at all until we are guaranteed certain things.  And there are others who do not want to register but will do so if they think that is the only way they can work games.  Those are the guys that need to understand there is NO need to register right now.  Enjoy your season, work as you always have, and when we get closer to late-October you can look at the options on the table then and make your decision.  

Anorther thing folks can do if they are multi-sport is make sure their sport's TASO leadership knows their views.  I think the football guys are pretty well-convinced of what we need to do.  I do not know if the others are equally well-convinced but they should be encouraged to be.  

Football holds the cards here.  Even though there is a Nov 1 "deadline", UIL already knows it has most all of the basketball chapters since they had them last year.  Softball and baseball do not play games for quite some time so that "deadline" is not actually applicable to them.  The "deadline" comes during the football season.  If UIL does not get the numbers they need, what do they do?  Cancel the rest of the season?  There is no way Ornery and his several hundred buds can cover the hundreds of games that last week of the season.  If they have not negotiated a reasonable resolution by then they may be forced to do so by events.

Not sure why they have chosen to draw this line in the sand specifically for football.  Heck if you look at their website, they have "official UIL balls" for all the team sports except 1.  Yep, football.  They know they could not force the football coaches to use their Baden ball.  It is time they realize there are other things they cannot force either. (probably not coincidental that Baden is the official NFHS ball also)

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« Reply #415 on: September 09, 2010, 07:38:43 AM »
I'm not doing any thing untill  I'm told its time to do so by my chapter.
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Re: UIL or TASO
« Reply #416 on: September 09, 2010, 07:56:26 AM »
I'm not doing any thing untill  I'm told its time to do so by my chapter.

It is going to be an individual decision. The chapters can decide how they want to affiliate. I have made my choice. I responded to the UIL email asking them to take me off of their list and told them I had no intention of joining UIL.


As to the Week 10 games, I think these games are all on either written, implied or verbal contracts to TASO chapters and TASO crews!


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« Reply #417 on: September 09, 2010, 08:02:11 AM »
The UIL definately set themselves up for the Urinary Olympics right in the middle of football season.  Not very smart.

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« Reply #418 on: September 09, 2010, 08:14:18 AM »
Oh I forgot Boss, have bag will travel, and my crew won't charge any mileage and we love the black UIL hat, really outta make it mandatory equipment.

Funny, not charging mileage and being willing to negotiate prices and fees is one of the very things the UIL was upset with some organizations. Thanks for clarifying as an official you have no integrity and are not even willing to follow the UIL guidleines as outlined in the football manual. Regardless of who is the ulitmate authority on officiating I hope I never have the misfortune of interacting with you in real life. As far as UIL is concerned I hope you are not their poster boy because I think even they would be diappointed in your "selling" of their vision. 

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« Reply #419 on: September 09, 2010, 08:18:48 AM »
Funny, not charging mileage and being willing to negotiate prices and fees is one of the very things the UIL was upset with some organizations. Thanks for clarifying as an official you have no integrity and are not even willing to follow the UIL guidleines as outlined in the football manual. Regardless of who is the ulitmate authority on officiating I hope I never have the misfortune of interacting with you in real life. As far as UIL is concerned I hope you are not their poster boy because I think even they would be diappointed in your "selling" of their vision. 

I think he is a troll.  Someone who couldn't perform and was kicked out of his TASO chapter.  Now after reading his promised to negotiate prices, I would bet that he was part of that group who got caught soliciting for playoff games.  I have yet to read any of his posts where he is actually trying to help other officials in improving their game.  Not one time have I seen him responding to any rules questions on here. 

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« Reply #420 on: September 09, 2010, 08:23:10 AM »
I think he is a troll.  Someone who couldn't perform and was kicked out of his TASO chapter.  Now after reading his promised to negotiate prices, I would bet that he was part of that group who got caught soliciting for playoff games.  I have yet to read any of his posts where he is actually trying to help other officials in improving their game.  Not one time have I seen him responding to any rules questions on here. 


Rules, Rules,

He don't need no stinking rules


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« Reply #421 on: September 09, 2010, 08:30:36 AM »
Funny, not charging mileage and being willing to negotiate prices and fees is one of the very things the UIL was upset with some organizations. Thanks for clarifying as an official you have no integrity and are not even willing to follow the UIL guidleines as outlined in the football manual. Regardless of who is the ulitmate authority on officiating I hope I never have the misfortune of interacting with you in real life. As far as UIL is concerned I hope you are not their poster boy because I think even they would be diappointed in your "selling" of their vision. 
I think he is a troll.  Someone who couldn't perform and was kicked out of his TASO chapter.  Now after reading his promised to negotiate prices, I would bet that he was part of that group who got caught soliciting for playoff games.  I have yet to read any of his posts where he is actually trying to help other officials in improving their game.  Not one time have I seen him responding to any rules questions on here. 

His screen name would indicate he is a troll. Or his only reason for being on refstripes is to stir the UIL vs TASO pot.
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« Reply #422 on: September 09, 2010, 09:00:42 AM »
ornery1 How the heck can you even call a game with your head so far up Timmons arse?

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« Reply #423 on: September 09, 2010, 12:54:48 PM »
Oh I forgot Boss, have bag will travel, and my crew won't charge any mileage and we love the black UIL hat, really outta make it mandatory equipment.

 ^flag

Hey,  pi1eOn Ornery, Nostradumbus, or whatever moniker you're adopting these days: It's really no large secret that you're truly acting like the ignoramus that your writing ability so dictates. It doesn't really take a bachelors or masters degree to be able to make use of a dictionary or thesaurus, or to even turn on a spell-checker on your PC. May I suggest that you do just that, although at this juncture, even if you wrote a masters thesis of unique proportion, the balance of TASO folks would still take you for the JERK that you're showing everyone that you are. You might get a job application from the UIL: I do believe that they're hiring folks with your credentials, with or without state funding!   z^

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« Reply #424 on: September 09, 2010, 02:10:49 PM »
You might be trying too hard, but I'm saving my energy for UIL playoffs. Sorry Fellas, it just dont get no better

It will be so funny when even the UIL turns you down.  Who will you cry to then?