2010 NCAA Practice Tests

[6310 Forever]

Dakota:

Couple questions:

50.  Still struggling to see how this is not IDP:  A64 is 5 yards downfield when A82 catches the ball 4 yards downfield. . . . shouldn't matter when A64 released to go downfield.  This would only be legal if A82 were behind the LOS.
60.  The original momentum belongs to B1.  He loses possession, thus his momentum exception.  Another B player (B22) is tackled in the EZ with the ball still in the EZ, safety, no?
64.  Forward progress should not apply here.  FP only pertains to a runner in contact w/ defenders and driven back after he had established FP.  A12 voluntarily retreated back into his own EZ and threw an illegal forward pass (7-3-2-e as you reference).

I agree with all your other changes.  I appreciate the dialog.

[Dakota Dan]

50. The key sentence to this question is “QB12 throws a forward pass prior to Guard A64 releasing downfield.”  In order to figure if there is an IDP foul or not is to freeze frame the game in your head (or film if you are reviewing it) at the point when the passer is just releasing the ball.  If the linemen are not more than 3 yards beyond the LOS you do not have an IDP foul.  Since the QB threw a pass before the guard release down field it does not matter where the G is when the WR caught the ball because it does not matter….

60. There is no “original momentum” there is just “momentum” for Team B.  Team B (B1) caught the ball at the B4 and his momentum took him into the EZ.  Team B’s (B1 fumbles the ball and B22 picks up the loose ball which never left the EZ and got tackled in the EZ) momentum continues since the ball has never left their EZ and they maintain possession at the end of teh down (different story once the ball leaves the EZ and ends in the FOP).  Team B gets to invoke the momentum exception as the basic spot.  Since the foul happened in front of the basic spot you enforce from the basic spot (B2).  If the fumble would have crossed the EZ into the FOP, then the basic spot becomes the EZ…

64. The more I think about it, the more I am coming around to your way of thinking … The foul is enforced as a spot foul and the end of the related run.  The QB crossed the LOS and scrambled back to the EZ to throw the pass.  The EZ is the end of that related run… Safety

[6310 Forever]

Dakota:

I'm with you now on 60; I was reading that wrong this whole time.  Thanks.  As for 50, let's wait until some others chime in.  Right now, I'm sticking with my IDP.  That's what makes this process so beneficial.

[azsteam]

Question 50 is the ones that you need to really slow down to read and understand the question.  At first glance it looks as if IDP but wording "Forward pass Prior to Guard A64 releasing" makes this is TD play.  It's hard to imagine how a lineman can beat a ball thrown downfield.  I guess if the QB throws a high looping pass to the WR it could be done.

The only time I have seen this happen is on a fake punt play.  When the kicker throws a high pass and the lineman went downfield the H had an IDP flag.  Looking at the film the lineman was behind the line when the pass was thrown but downfield when the receiver caught the ball.

[Ftblref]

Guys, on #75 (test 2), I have A's ball, 4/5 on the B-19.  Incomplete illegal forward pass.  Anybody else...or am I missing something?

Thanks

[JasonTX]

Guys, on #75 (test 2), I have A's ball, 4/5 on the B-19.  Incomplete illegal forward pass.  Anybody else...or am I missing something?

Thanks

I agree but I'm also wondering about a delay of game for advancing the ball after it is dead.

[6310 Forever]

Ftblref is right.  The question reads "recovers", which assumes it hit the ground, thus incomplete illegal forward pass, 5 yds. from the end of the run, LOD.  I think we're safe not going with a DOG in this case because it would likely take us a second or two to figure out what happened.

[Sonofanump]

On the first test #16, I have B 1-10 at the 31.  I saw 6310 said the ball should be on the 21 yard line.  I have no foul under exception 9.3.3.c.3.  I'm I missing something?  Thanks-

[6310 Forever]

Sonofanump, thanks for your thoughts on my answer to #16 on Test 1.  If you look at the question again, B15 blocks A83 in the back to keep him from recovering the ball.  B15 is not trying to reach a runner or legally attempt to recover the kick.  If he were trying to do either, then the BIB is legal.  That's why I went with IBB, 10-yards PSK enforcement.  Make sense?

[Sonofanump]

Thank you, I think I have it now.  Moving on to Test #2:

#15.  Would B have an option of rekick from A30?
#32.  (This is to clearify in my mind the result is the same, B gets a play) I agree B's ball at the 37, but I don't think the clock should have started, I think we have :02 second remaining on the clock.  The ball was not legally touched in the field of play.
#38. What is the foul on this play?  I thought tackling passer below the knees was a NFL rule.

[brownie]

Test 2 #151 it could also be B1/10 on B10 as B get the option to decline offsetting penalties as theirs happened after the change of position re 10.4.1

[6310 Forever]

Brownie, if B declines offsetting fouls, we'd have to enforce the B foul only then, right?  If so, the result of the play is a touchback, normally B 1/10 B20, with the B20 being the basic spot.  However, B's foul happened behind the basic spot, thus the spot of the foul is the enforcement spot.  As the spot of the foul is the EZ, it would be a safety.  As a result, best to offset the fouls and replay the down.  Agree?

[brownie]

Thanks 6310 and yeh I agree, forgot to take the spot of the foul into consideration.

[Sonofanump]

Thru #50 on Test #2,  Here are my current questions:

#15.  Would B have an option of rekick from A30?
#32.  (This is to clarify in my mind the result is the same, B gets a play) I agree B's ball at the 37, but I don't think the clock should have started, I think we have :02 second remaining on the clock.  The ball was not legally touched in the field of play.
#38. What is the foul on this play?  I thought tackling passer below the knees was a NFL rule.  Is ther rule reference?
#43.  The clock was stopped for a TD signal, the result of the play was an incomplete pass, either is a major clock stoppage, I think the clock should start on the snap.

Thanks in advance!

[JasonTX]

#15.  Would B have an option of rekick from A30?

  Yes.  Since B did not foul prior to gaining possesion they have the option to Offset and have the ball kicked again.

#32.  (This is to clarify in my mind the result is the same, B gets a play) I agree B's ball at the 37, but I don't think the clock should have started, I think we have :02 second remaining on the clock.  The ball was not legally touched in the field of play.

  I agree.  The answer key doesn't agree.  I'd like to know as well why the clock was started and the answer key states to extend the period when the time should have never ran off.  Put the 2 secs. back on.

#38. What is the foul on this play?  I thought tackling passer below the knees was a NFL rule.  Is ther rule reference?

  There is no foul here.  The TD stands.  Kickoff from the A30.

#43.  The clock was stopped for a TD signal, the result of the play was an incomplete pass, either is a major clock stoppage, I think the clock should start on the snap.

  That's correct.  The clock will start on the snap.

[DeepWingPA]

Anyone have the answer key for the 50 question test?

[Sonofanump]

I think you can use 6310 as an answer key for test #1.

[6310 Forever]

Hey Guys, hope all is well.  Attached are my answers to test 1.  I think I've incorporated everyone's suggested answers into this document.  If anyone disagrees, let me know and I can update it.  Out of curiosity, any more tests floating around out there?  Thanks.

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[Sonofanump]

I am having alot of trouble with #79 on test #2.

I see two different answers (B 1&10 @B4 and Safety) neither of which I have.
I thought the end of the kick would be the enforcement spot and had B 1&10 @B2.
The foul occurred outside of the end zone of the team in possesion . 
The foul occurred ahead of the end of the kick.
The end of the run is the endzone, but we have momentum to

Thanks.

[RazorRef]

I am having alot of trouble with #79 on test #2.

I see two different answers (B 1&10 @B4 and Safety) neither of which I have.
I thought the end of the kick would be the enforcement spot and had B 1&10 @B2.
The foul occurred outside of the end zone of the team in possesion . 
The foul occurred ahead of the end of the kick.
The end of the run is the endzone, but we have momentum to

Thanks.

I agree with you.  Do to the momentum rule, the ball would come back out to the 2 where we would enforce the penalty that would take it to the B1.

[Dakota Dan]

as to #79 ... I was the one who had safety as an answer... it is wrong, I misread the question (I did not read that the ball rolled OOB, which it did at the 3.  If the ball stayed in bounds in the field of play then it would be a safety) and you are right it should be B-1-10-B1

[Sonofanump]

Thanks for the help/replies.  Trying to work my way through these test and improve my rules knowledge.

[azsteam]

Sonofanump, thanks for your thoughts on my answer to #16 on Test 1.  If you look at the question again, B15 blocks A83 in the back to keep him from recovering the ball.  B15 is not trying to reach a runner or legally attempt to recover the kick.  If he were trying to do either, then the BIB is legal.  That's why I went with IBB, 10-yards PSK enforcement.  Make sense?

The foul on B15 is an illegal block.  He gave a fair catch signal and then block A83, which is a 15 yard foul.  B 1/10 @ B16.

[Sonofanump]

Test #2 Q#81, Why is this not a forward fumble out of bounds.  I thought:

A 1&5 @A25 or A 2&4 @A26, A's choice.

[Dakota Dan]

#81:

Back A24 throws a backward pass and it happens to roll out of bounds at the A31.  net gain is 11 yards versus the 5 yard DOF foul.  Decline foul,  A-1-10-A31