Test Question - Batting a free kick

[James]

Hi,
working through a test and I have this question:

Free Kick from A’s 35. The free kick is rolling on B’s 4 when B-91 bats the ball backwards to B-42 who is standing on B’s 1 yard line. B-42 muffs the ball and it bounces in the goal line pylon.

I am getting mixed up with impetus. Does the batting make this a safety, or is it a TB? Can someone break it down for me?

Thanks

[Welpe]

The batting is a new impetus, thus we have a safety.

8-7-2

b. Initial impetus is considered expended and the responsibility for the
ball’s progress is charged to a player:

1. If he kicks a ball not in player possession or bats a loose ball after it
strikes the ground (Exception: The original impetus is not changed
when a loose ball is batted or kicked in the end zone.) (A.R. 8-7-
2-V).

[golfingref]

What about a kick being a kick until it has been possessed?  I would think this would make the result of this play a touchback?  And why would B bat a free kick?  They should possess it and have first and goal at the 4 yd line!

[Welpe]

And just for flavor...AR 8-7-2-V

Any kick by Team A strikes the ground and a Team B player bats the ball across Team B’s goal line, where Team B recovers it while
grounded or it goes out of bounds.

RULING: New impetus is given by Team B. Safety, two points for Team A. Batting the kick is
considered to have destroyed the impetus of the kick and imparted a new impetus. However, merely touching or deflecting the kick, or
being struck by it, does not destroy the impetus of the kick (Rule8-5-1-a).

[chymechowder]

another batting question. dealing with the tack on principle:

B80 fields punt at the B-20 and returns to the B-30 where he fumbles.  At the B-35, A55 illegally bats the ball forward:

1. B88 recovers and advances to midfield.
2. B88 recovers and is downed at the B-10

What are Team B's tack-on options?  Where are they taking on from?  The end of the last run/where they'd put the ball in play?  The end of the related run/spot of the fumble?

[Welpe]

The foul is not during a kick so I believe we would have just basic spot enforcement from the end of the related run.

[Welpe]

I finally had a chance to check the rule.  The foul is during a running play so there are no tack on options.

ARTICLE 4. Penalties for all fouls by the kicking team other than kickcatch
interference (Rule 6-4) during a free kick play or a scrimmage kick
play (except field goal attempts) are enforced either at the previous spot or
at the spot where the subsequent dead ball belongs to Team B, at the option
of Team B. (Rules 6-1-8 and 6-3-13)

[KB]

To answer the question, B has the option of accepting or declining the penalty.

In 1), they will decline and have 1&10 at the 50.
In 2), they will accept and have 1&10 at the B45.

[fbljuj]

Hi,
working through a test and I have this question:

Free Kick from A’s 35. The free kick is rolling on B’s 4 when B-91 bats the ball backwards to B-42 who is standing on B’s 1 yard line. B-42 muffs the ball and it bounces in the goal line pylon.

I am getting mixed up with impetus. Does the batting make this a safety, or is it a TB? Can someone break it down for me?

Thanks

Same question but B91 does not bat the ball, B42 muffs it into the endzone and B91 now bats the ball backward out of the endzone?

[VaBackJudge]

Still a kick, so result of play is touchback.  B has fouled by batting a loose ball in any direction in the end zone.  Enforcement spot is previous spot, and A gets to re-kick from 15 yards further down the field.