Author Topic: Final Play TD. LSU vs TENN (Read 25372 times)

JasonTX · « **on:** October 02, 2010, 06:20:59 PM »

I didn't watch the game but apparently LSU scored a TD on the last play but the Try wasn't attempted with the point spread only 2 pts. My high school game last night the same thing happened and we had to clear both teams to run the try even though the winning team just took a knee.

TxBJ · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2010, 06:51:12 PM »

The announcers said that the ball was placed at the 3 and were surprised they were going to run it. A few seconds later you could hear the PA guy say we are now being told the game is over. Most likely it was because the losing team was already in the locker room. Devastating loss as they stopped LSU as time expired but Tenn had 13 on defense (yes, 13). Half the distance, one more play, TD. Tenn went from jubilation to heartbreak.

blindref757 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2010, 09:12:38 PM »

In Texas HS ball, you only have to run the EP if it is a district game and you are in a positive points situation.

We always ask during district what the PP margin is..if it's 45-0, we don't do it because most PP have a max of 21.

I'm not sure why the NCAA boys would consider running the EP play.

mishatx · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2010, 10:07:59 PM »

Because with the score 16-14, Tennessee could score 2 points during the try and force OT.

TxBJ · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2010, 10:09:23 PM »

Because the rulebook says so. If it can impact the outcome (2 points or less difference) you have to run it.

JasonTX · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2010, 11:11:03 PM »

Quote from: blindref757 on October 02, 2010, 09:12:38 PM

In Texas HS ball, you only have to run the EP if it is a district game and you are in a positive points situation.

We always ask during district what the PP margin is..if it's 45-0, we don't do it because most PP have a max of 21.

I'm not sure why the NCAA boys would consider running the EP play.

Down by less than 2 you have to run the try because the defense still has a chance to tie the game.

As far as Texas HS. Positive points only comes into play if you are in extra periods. It does not apply at the end of the 4th qtr. So if the last score at the end of the 4th qtr. gives the offense a 6 pt lead, the try is not attempted. In extra periods you would allow the offense to run the try. If the defense leaves the field you award 2 pts. to the offense.

HAshleyTX · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2010, 11:55:51 PM »

Tenn coach stated that he wasn't given time to react to LSU's late substitutions. Can someone post a replay?

TXMike · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2010, 05:52:42 AM »

U got on the ball. Tennessee subbed in but not enough left. In fact, one who was leaving turned around and came back. I dopn't think the intent of the rule is to let Team B have an unlimited opportunity to get their subs correct.
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NVFOA_Ump · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2010, 06:22:40 AM »

I'd agree with TXMike. LSU subbed and Tennessee subbed in response. It's not a requirement in the rulebook for the crew to hold the snap for team B to figure out that they have 13 on the field. Both teams were in place for the snap so for the purpose of the rule allowing B to respond to A sub process this was IMO OK.

golfingref · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2010, 07:24:12 AM »

Just finished watching Game Day Final with Lou "bash on the officials" Holtz. He mentioned the officials blew it by not letting Tenn sub. I went back and the U steps over the ball as the LSU subs are coming on the field. He leaves the ball once the Tenn subs are on their side of the ball and in position. Lou was wrong but spouted off anyway.

He then bashed on the Oregon/Stanford crew about an early hit on an onside kick. Once again, talking before looking at the clip. R player blocked 13 yards from the kick line as the ball was recovered at the 41. Look at the clips before you spew wrong information, Lou!

TXMike · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2010, 08:06:33 AM »

Quote from: JasonTX on October 02, 2010, 11:11:03 PM

Down by less than 2 you have to run the try because the defense still has a chance to tie the game.

As far as Texas HS. Positive points only comes into play if you are in extra periods. It does not apply at the end of the 4th qtr. So if the last score at the end of the 4th qtr. gives the offense a 6 pt lead, the try is not attempted. In extra periods you would allow the offense to run the try. If the defense leaves the field you award 2 pts. to the offense.

Jason
I understand why you think this as the UIL exceptions only list it in the Extra Period section but that is not the intent. The intent is for it to apply to regulation as well. Hopefully folks have been doing that.

The Ref Thats Lef · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2010, 08:49:03 AM »

Had a JV game at Anahuac a few years back where this happened. We made them play the try and they had seven men on the line scrunched up tight, two backs right next to the QB and the 11th Man was set up around midfield just in case it all went wrong.

JasonTX · « **Reply #12 on:** October 03, 2010, 12:48:27 PM »

Quote from: TXMike on October 03, 2010, 08:06:33 AM

Jason
I understand why you think this as the UIL exceptions only list it in the Extra Period section but that is not the intent. The intent is for it to apply to regulation as well. Hopefully folks have been doing that.

That's the way they wrote the exception. All of their examples of positive points are using plays in extra periods. None of them mention anything about the 4th qtr.

TXMike · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2010, 01:01:11 PM »

That would be illogiical. All TASO clinicians should be teaching that it aplies in regulation also

blindref757 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2010, 01:05:44 PM »

Aren't extra periods considered an extension of the 4th quarter?

Hawkeye · « **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2010, 03:04:30 PM »

Quote from: TXMike on October 03, 2010, 05:52:42 AM

U got on the ball. Tennessee subbed in but not enough left. In fact, one who was leaving turned around and came back. I don't think the intent of the rule is to let Team B have an unlimited opportunity to get their subs correct.

I agree, this almost happened in my game a couple of week's ago. 4th down, punt team comes in, I go up with iron cross, U on the ball...B subs. No more B players moving, I release the U and then the 12th B player starts to leave the field, he just made it off before the snap, but if he hadn't it would have been a B foul for ill sub. I have to give them a reasonable opportunity to subst. in response to A subst. but they have to react almost immediately and then complete the subst in a timely fashion. I'm not counting the B team, I'm just seeing if they respond to the subst.

TXMike · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2010, 10:45:17 PM »

Holtz spouting off

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HAshleyTX · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2010, 10:50:30 PM »

What a tool. I wonder what poor minion has to wipe Holtz's slobber off the desk after he spits all over the place?

Diablo · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2010, 05:59:28 AM »

Quote from: blindref757 on October 03, 2010, 01:05:44 PM

Aren't extra periods considered an extension of the 4th quarter?

I don't think so. Why do is that so?
At the start of an EP, the continuity of downs is broken; possession may change; the end of the field may change, etc.

JugglingReferee · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2010, 06:31:13 AM »

Quote from: Diablo on October 04, 2010, 05:59:28 AM

I don't think so. Why do is that so?
At the start of an EP, the continuity of downs is broken; possession may change; the end of the field may change, etc.

Are you Canadian?

In 10 years of reading fb officiating forums, I've never heard that term applied to a US game.

Skuza · « **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2010, 12:01:20 PM »

Quote from: mishatx on October 02, 2010, 10:07:59 PM

Because with the score 16-14, Tennessee could score 2 points during the try and force OT.

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Reff54 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2010, 12:13:49 PM »

We were out a a Sports Bar in Orlando with friends and there was a guy from Tennessee....when they stopped LSU on the play on which they had 13 on the field....he was whoopin it up....and he had then gone to the restroom . I saw the officials gathered and told my friends...this is not over yet. Then the guy comes back out ....and finds out LSU gets one more chance....and of course the outcome he was celebrating....then changes...
It was classic....

Andrew McCarthy · « **Reply #22 on:** October 04, 2010, 02:12:09 PM »

Did they have to go to replay to determine the 13 men on defense?

allen · « **Reply #23 on:** October 04, 2010, 02:28:59 PM »

A coach blaming officials for their mistakes? I've never heard of this type of behavior before!

TXMike · « **Reply #24 on:** October 04, 2010, 02:50:10 PM »

Quote from: Andrew McCarthy on October 04, 2010, 02:12:09 PM

Did they have to go to replay to determine the 13 men on defense?

That was kind of strange. It appeared the s was startinfg to come into the field just as the ball was snapped so maybe he was going to shut it down but could not. The play happened, there was mass hysteria and people everywhere afterwards so it would have been impossible to get a good count "after the fact" so they went to replay.

Author Topic: Final Play TD. LSU vs TENN (Read 25372 times)

HAshleyTX

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Diablo

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