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Flying Helmets
« on: October 07, 2010, 05:06:07 AM »
From USA Today:

Increased number of flying helmets raises concerns
By Thomas O'Toole, USA TODAY

Helmets are flying off college football players during games with alarming regularity.
Though evidence is anecdotal, the supervisor of Southeastern Conference officials says that in the course of watching games on a recent Saturday afternoon he counted 15 to 20 times helmets came off. The trend is raising injury concerns, generating equipment questions and could lead to a rules change.

"It seems clear there are more helmets coming off in the natural course of play," said Rogers Redding, SEC officials supervisor and secretary/rules editor for the NCAA football rules committee. "We see it a few times a game. It's not just with (the SEC) but nationally.
"I've noticed when players go to the sidelines ... it seems it's very easy to pull their helmets off. I don't know what's going on from a design standpoint. It just seems to slide on and slide off very easily. Players don't have to tug on it. ... It's almost like they flick it off."

The issue extends beyond colleges. Duane Summers, commissioner of football for the Mid-Coast Officials Association in Florida, said he had seen helmets pop off in high school games this year.
"If any of our officials see a strap loose before a play starts, he will stop the play," Summers said. "I get a feeling kids don't like them tight like they should be. As soon as they get off the field, they unsnap their helmet like it's uncomfortable. I don't know if it's discipline or comfort."
Said Cocoa Beach (Fla.) High head coach Tony Piccalo: "If there's a problem at the high school level, it's one of two things: chin straps or the helmet is not fitted properly."

The NFL conducted a detailed helmets study, mostly because of concussion concerns. Spokesman Greg Aiello, in an e-mail, said, "We require chin straps to be buckled for safety reasons, and I do not think flying helmets is a significant issue for us."

At least one helmet manufacturer said reasons for helmets coming off were varied.
"The players maybe aren't wearing the correct size helmet; maybe they're not being fit properly. There could be some design flaws," said Rod Trafford, a former NFL player and now southeast regional sales manager for Xenith, the newest major helmetmaker. "It seems the past two or three years, it's become an epidemic."
Redding said SEC game officials had not noticed chin straps being unbuckled but wonders if the straps were loose and if the helmets fit properly. Most helmets have four snaps.
Redding said helmets are a topic among the rules committee. "Just wondering if there is something we can do," he said.

One possibility, Redding said, would be to require a player whose helmet comes off in the normal course of play to sit out the next down, much like a player must do if time is stopped for an injury. Redding acknowledged such a rule "could open a can of worms" because players might argue their helmets were pulled off by opponents.
But a rule could force teams to take a serious look at the way helmets are fitted. As it is now, Redding said there is little incentive to deal with it.

He sees few instances of helmets being pulled off but more coming off in the course of a play. "You mostly see it when a player is being tackled and his momentum is stopped quickly and his headgear keeps going," he said.
Two college rules deal with helmets on the field. If a ballcarrier's helmet comes off, the play is immediately whistled dead for safety reasons. And other than during a timeout or while being treated for an injury, players on the field cannot remove their helmets (though officials have room for interpretation).

The process for a new rule would start with a survey the American Football Coaches Association sends to coaches Nov. 1. Redding said he will consider asking the AFCA to include questions about helmets, including if the coaches would support having a player sit out a play should the helmet come off.

The AFCA discusses possible rules changes at its annual convention in January and makes recommendations. The NCAA rules committee uses that input in its deliberations.
"In relation to concussions, it's certainly a significant issue," said Grant Teaff, AFCA executive director. "It's a reason we have the helmet in the first place, to protect the student-athlete. That's an issue we're very much for looking into."
Teaff said he would welcome survey questions from Redding, though he had reservations about making anyone sit out for a play.
"That's tantamount in many ways to a penalty," Teaff said. "(It would) probably be inappropriate to penalize someone if it's the equipment's fault. But we work closely with Rogers. So we would entertain anything Rogers would come up with."

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2010, 07:31:54 AM »
As AB said elsewhere, taking the time to properly fit the helmets solves many of the problems.

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2010, 11:14:54 AM »
This is probably too whimsical but if you have seen an Indy car when it wrecks, it flies to pieces intentionally as a part of the design.

The two normal times I see a helmet come off are when a runner has it pulled off and when a massive hit sends it flying.  I'm no physicist so I don't know if the helmet stayed on would there be increased trauma danger to the head?

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 11:17:58 AM »
I"l give you my next game check if the helmets are designed to pop off,  I know soneone with Riddell and will ask him but I am pretty sure that is a negatory.

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2010, 11:34:37 AM »
I have seen it a ton in high school games as well. At minimum 6 to 10 times a game. It does seem excessive in relation to games in years past.

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2010, 07:49:23 PM »
Answer from my helmet guy:

No we actually want them to stay on. The foam we use inside has some resiliency to recoil for bracing for another hit. That is what differs from motorcycle or fireman's helmets. They are designed with hard impact foam but once it takes a heavy blow most instruct you get another helmet. The newer helmets are designed with an offset or larger outer shell enabling the interior to have thicker dual density foam that absorbs then but comes back for another hit and the inner layer is soft for comfort around the head.

Personally I don't think the kids are wearing them properly they want no discomfort so they don't wear it snug. A proper fitting helmet should have the forehead skin move slightly when the helmet is moved side to side without the chin strap secure. Thus when you see players grab the helmet by the face mask and one handed slip it over their head chances are good the helmet is to big or not fitted properly.
Probably more than what you wanted to know. But........

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2010, 08:21:07 AM »
When I played (which wasn't all that long ago) I remembered feeling like the helmet was going to rip my ears off whenever I put it on or pulled it off.  It seems most kids these days don't have that feeling and can pop it right off.

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2010, 09:38:12 AM »
Somebody with the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton said that they are designed to pop off if there is a hard hit to the helmet.

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2010, 09:45:27 AM »
Can you dig up the source on that? The helmet manufacturers disagree as I pointed out above and here:

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20101007/SPORTS/10070330/0/SEVENDAYS/Pop-goes-the-helmet--Trend-raises-injury-fears--could-lead-to-rule-change

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Re: Flying Helmets
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2010, 10:41:28 AM »
Somebody with the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton said that they are designed to pop off if there is a hard hit to the helmet.
Hmmm. And my nephew's girlfriend's mother said even if the rest of the body was disintegrated by the hit, the helmet should stay on the head.

Her statement is just as official as the "somebody in Canton" statement. :P