You Just Gotta Love Them

[TXMike]

Posted by a coach on another forum:

Here is the situation. We have the ball 4th and goal ball on the 9 yard line. We call a slant and hit hit the receiver in the chest and ofcoarse he drops hit. He then is speared in the head late. A flag is thrown. Personal Foul is called. Good call by the officals right? NOOOOT SO FAST. He then calls a dead ball foul and therefore we have already turned the ball over so we can't get an automatic first down so the defense gets the ball and the ball is moved back half the distance to the goal First Down for the opposing team.

That same drive they drive the ball down the field and we hold then on a 4th and 4 play but we hit theam really really late out of bounds. Again dead ball Personal Foul automatic first down right? Wrong lol we did what good coaches do and yelled that it was after the play so we got the ball and lost 15 yards......

hey atleast they are consistent
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My response :
Not only are they consistent but they are right. That is EXACTLY how late hits are penalized on 4th down.

[Welpe]

And where, pray tell, is this posted?   

[AlUpstateNY]

What's really amazing is, "we did what good coaches do and yelled that it was after the play so we got the ball and lost 15 yards......".  Not amazing that coaches "yell", rather that this fool thinks his yelling is somehow going to advance his position.

I wonder how many coaches think that when they correct a player, a player who yells something stupid back in defiance, advances his position with that coach?

[Osric Pureheart]

What's really amazing is, "we did what good coaches do and yelled that it was after the play so we got the ball and lost 15 yards......".  Not amazing that coaches "yell", rather that this fool thinks his yelling is somehow going to advance his position.

Come on now, let's not pretend that there don't exist poor officials who can be swayed if a coach shouts loud enough or in the right way.

[LarryW60]

Coaches seem to have a hard time with dead ball fouls happening after the play is over.  They always want to incorporate the penalty into the previous down.

[Getting Fat]

"Come on now, let's not pretend that there don't exist poor officials who can be swayed if a coach shouts loud enough or in the right way."

When I was an undergrad, I was the referee for a graduate school soccer tournament (yes, the other futbol).  One of the games I did was Harvard Law School vs. Stanford Business school.  Even with my healthy ego, I had to admit I was probably the 23rd smartest guy on the field.  To that end, every time one of the Harvard guys argued a call they had me questioning myself.  Darn them.  Every time one of the Stanford guys argued a call, I wanted to change it in their favor in exchange for a job 

[AlUpstateNY]

Come on now, let's not pretend that there don't exist poor officials who can be swayed if a coach shouts loud enough or in the right way.

There are exceptions to every rule, but do you think screaming at someone, who you KNOW will have the final say whenever he chooses to take it, is a rational strategy to produce a favorable result?

[Osric Pureheart]

There are exceptions to every rule, but do you think screaming at someone, who you KNOW will have the final say whenever he chooses to take it, is a rational strategy to produce a favorable result?

I've seen it work (and I'm defining 'work' as 'having an effect in favour of that team at some subsequent point in the game') on far more occasions than I'd like to think I have; depending on the makeup of a coach's pool of officials it can be a very rational thing to do on a regular basis.

Of course, it's entirely situational and there's times when it'll backfire on them, but nothing ventured nothing gained...

[TXMike]

I am not denying there may be some folks who succumb to the "pressure" from the coach but I know there are others who react in the opposite way and would not give that "pressuring" coach the benefit of a close call even when it is warranted, i.e. would be the right call.  If you are a coach why would you want to take a chance you have the "wrong" kind of guy on your sideline