Author Topic: Announcer in rapture (Read 20339 times)

chymechowder · « **on:** October 20, 2010, 09:39:07 AM »

http://985thesportshub.cbslocal.com/2010/10/20/great-high-school-play-by-play/

Pretty sure this play by play guy lives in a "van down by the river."

RMR · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2010, 10:00:31 AM »

Bad mechanic by the whitehat turning his back on those players like that.

Etref · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2010, 10:10:20 AM »

Quote from: RMR on October 20, 2010, 10:00:31 AM

Bad mechanic by the whitehat turning his back on those players like that.

Agree, R has excellent coverage all the way down field, hustles to get to the GL, the screws up by turning his back on players.

JugglingReferee · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2010, 10:44:49 AM »

And signals with palms out. They should be in!

AlUpstateNY · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2010, 10:58:29 AM »

You have to be kidding me, if this referee's only "bad mechanic" was, "turning his back on those players like that" he may have actually worked his first perfect game. Unless you're looking (and hoping) for a problem, facing the press box and signalling the score was the exact right thing to do.

RMR · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2010, 11:08:58 AM »

Quote from: AlUpstateNY on October 20, 2010, 10:58:29 AM

You have to be kidding me, if this referee's only "bad mechanic" was, "turning his back on those players like that" he may have actually worked his first perfect game. Unless you're looking (and hoping) for a problem, facing the press box and signalling the score was the exact right thing to do.

Well, we don't know anything about the rest of the game since we only have a clip of one play to go by, but do you think it's ever smart to turn your back on a group of players, especially following a score? And we don't need to look or hope for problems, but when they occur, we do need to see and deal with them.

And no, I'm not kidding - that has been drilled into me for 15 years now and if we were to turn our back on players like that we would get dinged for it.

T.C. Welton · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2010, 11:33:56 AM »

Now that's funny!

VALJ · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2010, 03:11:14 PM »

I'm impressed that the WH was able to keep up with the B player with the ball as well as he did.

It's also entirely possible that the wing on that side was there by the time the R turned around, or was at least close enough to be able to watch for something stupid. I personally would have waited a bit longer to be sure the wing was on top of things before signalling, though.

TXMike · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2010, 08:19:06 PM »

The R had 4 slow arse crew mates behind everything If they can't keep an eye on things then why are they out there. I got nothing wrong by the R. He did a heck of a lot better than 90% of the R's I know.

With_Two_Flakes · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2010, 11:00:38 PM »

Great hustle by the R to keep up with this play.

As for turning his back? I have always been taught to think "dead ball officiating" and be in no particular rush to face the press box to signal a score. If that R had stayed facing the kid who scored (just to make sure nobody popped him) for a few seconds and signalled with his back to the press box - would it still have been a score? Yes. Would everyone in the crowd be able to see his signal? Yes.

lawdog · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2010, 09:43:35 AM »

Two years ago the mechanic of R facing press box and regiving the TD signal was removed from our mechanics anyway. R should just give his signal and continue facing the players. There is NO NEED for him to turn to the press box and give a TD signal. Should the line judge turn his back to the field to give his TD signals too? Obviously not so why should R.

VALJ · « **Reply #11 on:** October 21, 2010, 10:43:05 AM »

Quote from: With_Two_Flakes on October 20, 2010, 11:00:38 PM

If that R had stayed facing the kid who scored (just to make sure nobody popped him) for a few seconds and signalled with his back to the press box - would it still have been a score? Yes. Would everyone in the crowd be able to see his signal? Yes.

Agreed there. The TD has already been scored. Even if you figure that the R needs to communicate it to the press box, there doesn't need to be any rush to signal it up.

TXMike · « **Reply #12 on:** October 21, 2010, 01:06:17 PM »

Quote from: lawdog on October 21, 2010, 09:43:35 AM

Two years ago the mechanic of R facing press box and regiving the TD signal was removed from our mechanics anyway. R should just give his signal and continue facing the players. There is NO NEED for him to turn to the press box and give a TD signal. Should the line judge turn his back to the field to give his TD signals too? Obviously not so why should R.

Which mechanics manual was it removed from?

lawdog · « **Reply #13 on:** October 21, 2010, 02:12:01 PM »

It might have just been our state that told us to quit doing it, I don't remember now and I have nothing to look at in my office...

TXMike · « **Reply #14 on:** October 21, 2010, 02:15:27 PM »

Apparently the NCAA and NFL (among others) have failed to follow your state's lead.

lawdog · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2010, 03:04:07 PM »

I couldn't care less what the NCAA or the NFL do. I work NFHS in MN, IA and occasionally SD. We haven't had the white hat repeat the TD signal in I think three years as we have been instructed not too. There is absolutely no reason for them to do so anyway.

TXMike · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2010, 03:05:41 PM »

Maybe the rest of the nation will catch up with you eventually.

Etref · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2010, 03:10:08 PM »

If there is a flag on the play or some type of unusual delay where the R has to confer with a calling official it of course should be given again by the R. If there is not I think R should not give again. I give it because our mechanics (TASO) call for the R to give after making sure there is no foul on the play.

lawdog · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2010, 03:32:49 PM »

Quote from: RickWts on October 21, 2010, 03:10:08 PM

If there is a flag on the play or some type of unusual delay where the R has to confer with a calling official it of course should be given again by the R. If there is not I think R should not give again.

I don't disagree with that. I'm talking your run of the mill standard TD with no penalties involved... The additional signal by the white hat serves no purpose then...

Osric Pureheart · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2010, 04:53:27 PM »

Does anyone know why Rs confirm the TD signal? It's always struck me as being slightly vestigial and I've often wondered if there was some kind of story behind it, because now it seems like it's done more because it's always been done that way rather than for any practical reason.

Welpe · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2010, 06:58:36 PM »

I've always understood it to be that the calling official is signalling the result of the play and the Referee confirms the score once he checks to see that there are no flags on the field.

British Ref · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2010, 08:13:29 AM »

The signal by the covering official is declaring the ball dead with a specific reason as to why (e.g. I'm declaring the ball dead in legal possession of a player in their opponent's end zone), whereas the signal by R to the press box is confirming that there is a score. It's the same signal, but has two different meanings in two different contexts. Incomplete pass, try no good, penalty declined, penalties offset, and coin toss option deferred to the second half all share the same signal as well.

BIG DON · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2010, 09:10:39 AM »

Guy's My brother is the Crazy Announcer for that game. While I am working games on Friday night he is announcing games for theguardonline.com This is the 2nd year that the guard has done this Last year is was video only. You would not believe all the press he is getting. Both my brother and the Color guy is a bunch of homers incase you could not tell.

110 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2010, 09:44:52 AM »

** cleaning out remains of shattered left eardrum **

The announcer is a homer, you say?

BIG DON · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2010, 09:53:27 AM »

just a little bit

Author Topic: Announcer in rapture (Read 20339 times)

chymechowder

T.C. Welton

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