Author Topic: Stalling after a Timeout (Read 17884 times)

JasonTX · « **on:** November 09, 2010, 10:26:45 AM »

Here's the situation. Coming out of a timeout, neither team wants to leave their sideline huddle. If one team comes back to the field and the other stays off, then we would have a delay of game as per 3-4-2-b-3, but if both of them are stalling what do you do?

TXMike · « **Reply #1 on:** November 09, 2010, 10:31:13 AM »

Tell Team b's coach you are going to blow the Rfp but do not wanT his team to get caught unready so please get 'em out NOW. As soon as they are out I am starting the play clock and if A let's it run out, tuff tooty

Kalle · « **Reply #2 on:** November 09, 2010, 10:36:47 AM »

I'd let both coaches know that if neither team shows up to the ball in 120 seconds I'll end the game in a draw as per 9-2-3-a. If only one team shows up, that team will win the game.

JasonTX · « **Reply #3 on:** November 09, 2010, 10:39:00 AM »

Quote from: TXMike on November 09, 2010, 10:31:13 AM

Tell Team b's coach you are going to blow the Rfp but do not wanT his team to get caught unready so please get 'em out NOW. As soon as they are out I am starting the play clock and if A let's it run out, tuff tooty

That is what we were doing, but team B didn't want to come out until they saw which players of Team A were coming in. What we ended up doing was made the ball ready to "force" the teams to come out., team A came to the line, we then held the snap to allow B to "matchup".

Atlanta Blue · « **Reply #4 on:** November 09, 2010, 10:40:56 AM »

Quote from: TXMike on November 09, 2010, 10:31:13 AM

Tell Team b's coach you are going to blow the Rfp but do not wanT his team to get caught unready so please get 'em out NOW. As soon as they are out I am starting the play clock and if A let's it run out, tuff tooty

And if Team B still doesn't come out?

There's a much easier solution. Call USC fouls on both head coaches, and tell them the next one is an ejection. I'll bet you get the teams back REAL quick.

TXMike · « **Reply #5 on:** November 09, 2010, 10:43:46 AM »

That takes it to a confrontatiopnal level that is way too high. I can't believe if the white hat tells the coach man to man to get 'em out thayt they will not come out

Kalle · « **Reply #6 on:** November 09, 2010, 10:50:38 AM »

If the problem is that team B wants to know what team A will be fielding, I guess the proper way is to declare the ball ready for play, and if team A will come out, hold the ball until team B comes out, and then enforcing a DOG against team B if the play clock expires. In any event I would not let team A run a play unopposed, that's calling for injuries if team B "players" come on the field during the down.

Birddog · « **Reply #7 on:** November 09, 2010, 11:38:03 AM »

I like what Jason suggested. Similar to the sub rule, have U hold up the snap then if the defense or team B does not get there in time then delay on them.

Etref · « **Reply #8 on:** November 09, 2010, 03:46:14 PM »

Also have the wing officials get in the time out huddle and say loudly and forcefully. "Let's go guys, NOW!"

centexsports · « **Reply #9 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:05:32 PM »

I would tell my wing guys to tell the coaches that the ready for play is going to be blown and that if the team is not on the way to the LOS a sideline warning will be given to their team for the coaches being on the field.

TXMike · « **Reply #10 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:07:02 PM »

No such thing as a dead ball sideline warning.

centexsports · « **Reply #11 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:09:40 PM »

Clarify: I will be blowing the Ready for Play and if they are still on the field and the players are not at or coming to the LOS then flag. That is what I meant when I said I was going to blow the ready for play.

TXMike · « **Reply #12 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:19:04 PM »

Not a foul until ball is snapped.

centexsports · « **Reply #13 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:30:41 PM »

Why? Sideline interference is a live ball foul but a sideline warning can be given to coaches that are on the field prior to the snap. At least that is how we have been handling it the last few years.

In fact since the incident in San Antonio it has been a Point of Emphaisi to keep the coaches off the field. It hasn't been a problem in the last year or so but two years ago it was almost every game that a coach got a sideline warning before the ball was snapped. we were instructed to be pro active in this regard.

TXMike · « **Reply #14 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:33:46 PM »

Check the book. It is not a foul unless the ball is in play and that means after a legal snap or free kick

centexsports · « **Reply #15 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:45:00 PM »

This is sideline warning. I know you are a trainer and I would be very suprised if you have told officials to flag sideline warnings as live ball only fouls. That is not being proactive and preventing sideline interference. Anyway we were told to flag before the ball was in play three years ago and it hasn't been changed yet but all teams are doing alot better now.

b. Other prohibited acts include:
1. During the game, coaches, substitutes and authorized attendants in
the team area shall not be on the field of play or outside the 25-yard
lines without permission from the referee unless legally entering or
leaving the field (Exceptions: Rules 1-2-4-g and 3-3-8-c).

PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards [S7 and S27] from the succeeding
spot. Flagrant offenders, if players or substitutes, shall be
disqualified [S47].

TXMike · « **Reply #16 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:49:38 PM »

The rule you quote calls for a 15 yd penalty. Is that what you do?if so, that is NOT a warning. You are mixing things together. The sideline foul that is a dead ball foul is not designed to be used when a coach does not get off the field after the RFP.

centexsports · « **Reply #17 on:** November 09, 2010, 05:58:57 PM »

No I have't given a sideline warning since they went from the first one actually being a warning only.

But I am still interested in your answer to my question.

TXMike · « **Reply #18 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:01:00 PM »

What question?

wingnut · « **Reply #19 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:12:54 PM »

Quote from: JasonTX on November 09, 2010, 10:26:45 AM

Here's the situation. Coming out of a timeout, neither team wants to leave their sideline huddle. If one team comes back to the field and the other stays off, then we would have a delay of game as per 3-4-2-b-3, but if both of them are stalling what do you do?

Delay of Game on the Defense.

Atlanta Blue · « **Reply #20 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:54:29 PM »

Quote from: TXMike on November 09, 2010, 10:43:46 AM

That takes it to a confrontatiopnal level that is way too high.

If you have already called for them to come out and they refused, it's time to get confrontational!

Diablo · « **Reply #21 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:55:16 PM »

Quote from: JasonTX on Today at 10:26:45 AM
Here's the situation. Coming out of a timeout, neither team wants to leave their sideline huddle. If one team comes back to the field and the other stays off, then we would have a delay of game as per 3-4-2-b-3, but if both of them are stalling what do you do?

Quote from Wingnut: Delay of Game on the Defense.

Are you advocating flagging the defense if both teams do not come onto the field of play? If so, how do you justify that?
If not, what do you mean?

Sorry for my confusion.

TXMike · « **Reply #22 on:** November 09, 2010, 06:56:21 PM »

Easy for you to say....you don't have the stripes. I prefer to keep things calmer than that

wingnut · « **Reply #23 on:** November 09, 2010, 07:23:07 PM »

Quote from: Diablo on November 09, 2010, 06:55:16 PM

Quote from: JasonTX on Today at 10:26:45 AM
Here's the situation. Coming out of a timeout, neither team wants to leave their sideline huddle. If one team comes back to the field and the other stays off, then we would have a delay of game as per 3-4-2-b-3, but if both of them are stalling what do you do?

Quote from Wingnut: Delay of Game on the Defense.

Are you advocating flagging the defense if both teams do not come onto the field of play? If so, how do you justify that?
If not, what do you mean?
Sorry for my confusion.

The offense is obviously waiting for the RFP to break their huddle. I'm not going to blow the RFP while the defense "(team B) is at a disadvantage."

"But team B must react promptly."

How do I justify it? AR 3-4-2-I, and FR 3-5-2-e. There's not a specific rules reference to this exact situation, but I'm pretty comfortable that my solution complies with the spirit of the rules.

Diablo · « **Reply #24 on:** November 10, 2010, 10:42:27 AM »

Quote from: wingnut on November 09, 2010, 07:23:07 PM

The offense is obviously waiting for the RFP to break their huddle. I'm not going to blow the RFP while the defense "(team B) is at a disadvantage."

"But team B must react promptly."

How do I justify it? AR 3-4-2-I, and FR 3-5-2-e. There's not a specific rules reference to this exact situation, but I'm pretty comfortable that my solution complies with the spirit of the rules.

My take on the situation is that both teams are being recalcitrant towards coming back onto the field of play - not just Team B.

I like Jason's solution to this problem. Make the ball ready-for-play. This will force Team A to come out. If they don't, flag them for delay when the play clock expires. When Team A arrives, the U should go over the ball and prevent the snap. If Team B does not match up (come onto the field of play), charge them with delay of game.