Flagrant Personal Foul or not??

[refdawg]

check out the FIRST play on the linked video from the UGA/Auburn game.  #90 was flagged for RTP on the play, but what is the board's opinion on whether this is a flagrant PF that warrants suspension by the conference after video review?  

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[Etref]

The use of the helmet is definitely a flagrant PF and could merit a DQ. The other at the knee, while possibly deliberate, I do not think  you can go as a flagrant since he was being blocked.

[Kalle]

I sure hope I would DQ the first action on the spot, not waiting for the mandatory review. Targeting, using the helmet in the back, knowing the ball is away...

Second action, being blocked excuses a lot of things, including this - not a flagrant foul.

[Atlanta Blue]

The first play in the video was Fairley's THIRD personal foul of the game.

Two Auburn players were later ejected for throwing punches, and are suspended for the first half of the Alabama game.  This game was WAY out of control by the time it ended.

[NVFOA_Ump]

If he was DQ'd on the 1st Flagrant Personal Foul (the clearly intentional crown of the helmet in the back), we wouldn't be viewing the 2nd one.  The 2nd is a bit questionable since he was being blocked although it does look like he was making every effort to get to the QB's knees with the helmet.  But, I guess I'd agree that the standard says being blocked to the ground absolves a lot of things so, probably no flag on the 2nd.

[NoVaBJ]

The first play merits an ejection.  The second play is not a foul.

[golfingref]

Fairley has had several tackles this season against various opponents (Arkansas, LSU, Georgia, just off the top of my head)  that could warrant a flagrant personal foul. 

[allen]

 

[TXMike]

While we are on the subject of flagrant....

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[Atlanta Blue]

Fairley has had several tackles this season against various opponents (Arkansas, LSU, Georgia, just off the top of my head)  that could warrant a flagrant personal foul. 

Part of Tony Barnhart's local column today says Gene Chizak needs to have a talk with Chris Fairly:

http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2010/11/15/its-going-to-be-a-long-11-days-until-the-iron-bowl/

2. Auburn coach Gene Chizik needs to have a talk with Nick Fairley.  I was very disappointed with the end of the Georgia-Auburn game on Saturday. We came really close to a bench-clearing brawl and that is not supposed to happen in Auburn-Georgia. It has never been that kind of rivalry.

 Two Auburn players–defensive end Michael Goggins and defensive tackle Mike Blanc–were ejected. Both will have to sit out the first half of the next game with Alabama. Georgia coach Mark Richt chose to take a knee on the last play of the game rather than risk another fight. That was the prudent thing to do.

After the game Auburn coach Gene Chizik said he was “embarrassed” by the way his players behaved at the end of the game.
“That’s not who we are,” said Chizik. “That’s not the way we carry ourselves, and we will address it.”

I agree with Coach Chizik. That’s not Auburn. And for Auburn to address the problem Chizik needs to begin his conversations on this subject with Nick Fairley. Fairley is a great football player but even the most strident Auburn fan has to understand that the hit he put on Georgia quarterback Aaron Murray earlier in the day has no place in the game. Gary Danielson of CBS pointed out that such hits in the NFL easily draw a fine. I came home Saturday night and watched the entire game again. More than once Danielson had to point out that Fairley was being too aggressive in driving the quarterback into the ground, a practice that the NFL has cleaned up.

Understand that the late game skirmish didn’t break out just because of Fairley’s helmet to the knee of Murray at the end.  That was a borderline play. It had been building the whole game.

And for the Auburn fans who are going to get mad at this I will simply say: If you accepted my defense of Newton for the last 12 days I would ask you to keep an open mind and go back and look at the game tape. You have a problem here that needs to be addressed. 

[JasonTX]

While we are on the subject of flagrant....

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What is the name of the R in this game?  Just a new face without a name is why I am asking.

[TXMike]

Mike DeFee, not surprisingly a former back judge     

[Welpe]

My know nothing opinion from the peanut gallery:

More Division 1 BCS crews need to start ejecting players for these things.

That and a $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee.

[MJT]

IMO, that first play is a definite ejection.

[KB]

Flagrant PF. Eject him AND suspend him to learn proper tackling. If he goes on this way, he's gonna be dead or paralysed RSN.

[TXMike]

check out the FIRST play on the linked video from the UGA/Auburn game.  #90 was flagged for RTP on the play, but what is the board's opinion on whether this is a flagrant PF that warrants suspension by the conference after video review?  

Will be an interesting call for the SEC.  Auburn already has 2 def linemen sitting the 1st half for fighting in 2d half of this game.  Even though Alabama could beat Auburn in Auburn's next game even if all of Auburn was there, not having 2 def linemen and now potentially a 3d could make it very hard.  Right now, the SEC's only real hope to be in the BCS title game is with Auburn winning out.  While I don't think that would play into Dr Redding's recommendation at all, who  knows what  the suits in the league office are thinking.

[blindref757]

It's sad that corporate money and conference superiority are even a consideration in this matter.  This is why officials should be independent of the leagues they work for.  It's why TASO and UIL should be separate.  If you can't have unbiased officiating (both on the field and off of it), then the game is no longer a game, it is an entertainment business that should just pay the participants and be sponsored by the school as a marketing arm.

Both of these plays warrant suspension.   Both are cheap, dirty, have no place in the game, and are done with only one intent...to take a player out.  Playing sports is a privilege, not a right.  You get to keep that privilege by being a "good sport".  If you act like a dirtbag, then you don't deserve a free education, the fame of being a college athlete, or the awards of being on a team of men who put honor above all other things.  This is what happens when we pay $500 for our 1st grader to be on a Pop-Warner team.  This is what happens when we have excessive competition at the pre-high school levels of athletics , and this is what you get when the spoils of being elite are so high that personal integrity is compromised. 

  These plays represent the epic failure of the business of the games we all grew up loving...for the love of the game. 

[TXMike]

Speechless........

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/sec_office_will_not_suspend_ni.html

The Southeastern Conference office has reviewed the tape of the Auburn-Georgia game and has decided it will not suspend Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley for the Iron Bowl against Alabama.

That news comes today from SEC associate commissioner Charles Bloom.

"We're handling the matter internally with the institution," Bloom told The Birmingham News.

One play in particular drew the attention of the SEC. It was Fairley's third-quarter late hit on Georgia quarterback Aaron Murray. On that play, two steps after Murray released a pass, Fairley drove his helmet into Murray's back.

Fairley was called for a 15-yard roughing-the-passer penalty on the play.

The SEC has the power to add additional penalties after a game, and those penalties can range from a public or private reprimand to a suspension. There's precedent from earlier this season.

The SEC suspended South Carolina linebacker Rodney Paulk for the first half of the Vanderbilt game the week after Paulk put a helmet-to-helmet hit on Kentucky's Randall Cobb.

The SEC also suspended Mississippi State linebacker Chris Hughes for the entire Kentucky game the week after Hughes was called for a flagrant hit on UAB's Frantrell Forrest. Forrest was a good 40 yards away from the play when Hughes charged from behind and leveled him.

In suspending Hughes, the SEC cited Rule 9-1-4 from the NCAA Football Rulebook: "No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, elbow or shoulder."

Fairley's late hit didn't strike Murray in the head or neck area. End of story

[TXMike]

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[KB]

OK guys, tear your rulebook apart and use it on the toilet. The SEC has just made junk out of the sport.

[TXMike]

Not that the SEC bosses probably care but the fan sites for the other SEC teams are rabid now accusing the SEC of protecting Auburn, the only SEC team left with a chance at the BCS title game. 

Maybe the league office looked at the whole game and saw enough instances of "dirty" play by others on Nick Fairley (that is kind of an oxymoron isn't it? ? ?) that they decided he deserved a break?

[Etref]

Sellout Everything Conference

[VA-Ump]

OK guys, tear your rulebook apart and use it on the toilet. The SEC has just made junk out of the sport.

Exactly... if this doesn't warrant action, then nothing does.

[JugglingReferee]

check out the FIRST play on the linked video from the UGA/Auburn game.  #90 was flagged for RTP on the play, but what is the board's opinion on whether this is a flagrant PF that warrants suspension by the conference after video review?

Re: the spear in the back...  I ejected a kid for this just last year, but the contact was in front.   all the way.

"That player, by virtue of his actions, has disqualified himself from the game."

Re: the spear to the knee...   DQ as well.  This joker needs to be looked at.

[LAZebra]

Not that the SEC bosses probably care but the fan sites for the other SEC teams are rabid now accusing the SEC of protecting Auburn, the only SEC team left with a chance at the BCS title game.  

Maybe the league office looked at the whole game and saw enough instances of "dirty" play by others on Nick Fairley (that is kind of an oxymoron isn't it? ? ?) that they decided he deserved a break?

Nick Failey came from the Grassy Knoll to make the hit!!  Let's appoint a Federal Commision and convene Congressional hearings to look into the matter!

He got peanalized.  The official who saw it live determined it did not warrant an ejection.  The league office looked at the film and agreed.  Since when do the members of this board have a problem with the league backing the on field officials?!?!