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Offline JasonTX

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2010, 11:14:01 AM »
If they wanted to play in Wrigley Field then they should have chose baseball as their sport. 

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 11:35:43 AM »
This game has been planned for how long, and two days before the game they figure out there's not really enough room for a football field with the surrounding area that is needed?

Unbelievable!

And the teams have to switch benches at half time.  OK, moving 85 players isn't too bad, they move themselves.  But there is a ton (literally) of auxiliary equipment that is going to have to be switched in 20 minutes.

I can see the coin toss now:  "Captain Smith, you have won the toss.  Do wish to defer, chose to receive or choose a bench?"

And for all you fans that bought seats on the East end of the stadium?  Too bad!  Or are the going to make all of the fans switch at half time as well?  "OK, section 132, you switch with section 149."

Turns out, painting the Wrigley Field sign purple was the least stupid decision of the week.


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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2010, 12:22:47 PM »
I like the idea of moving the EZ fans.  The bench thing isn't so bad as both teams are on the same side of the field.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 01:38:58 PM »
That is to funny!!  ;D

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 01:59:46 PM »
An' I thought life was tough with our 150-yard-long fields.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 02:32:22 PM »
We have to do that with one of my local university teams because one end backs onto a railway line and the fences around the field aren't high enough to stop kicks going over.
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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 10:54:51 PM »
As far as the one-way-on-offense game, it was done in a NFL-Europe game several years back.  League officials decided, in a game not played at the teams regular stadium, that one end zone was in such poor condition it was unplayable.  They covered the EZ with a tarp, and turned the teams around on each change of possession.  Really had minimal impact on the game.

On the matter of benches, why not locate both on the same side?  That's what they did in Wrigley when the Bears played there, and what I believe they have done for all the Emerald Bowls and Shrine All-Star games played in the baseball park at San Francisco.  (Not sure what they did in S.F. for XFL and UFL games.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2010, 08:32:50 AM »
Seems the rules "got in the way" of their little "show" up there..

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post?id=20024

Jim Delany discusses Wrigley decision
 By Adam Rittenberg

I just talked with Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, who shed some more light on the last-minute decision to use primarily one end zone for Saturday's Northwestern-Illinois game at Wrigley Field.

Some notes and quotes from Delany:
The Big Ten became aware of a potential NCAA rules issue Wednesday when Rogers Redding, the secretary-rules editor of the NCAA Football Rules Committee and the SEC's supervisor of officials, notified Bill Carollo, the Big Ten's coordinator of football officials, after media reports surfaced with photos of the cramped East end zone. Carollo then notified Delany.
Here is the rule in question, from the NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations: "Limit lines shall be marked ... 12 feet outside the sidelines and the end lines, except in stadiums where total field surface does not permit. In these stadiums, the limit lines shall not be less than six feet from the sidelines and end lines."
Delany had been under the assumption, from talking with Northwestern officials, that the field at Wrigley complied with NCAA regulations. Athletic director Jim Phillips had brought up Idaho's Kibbie Dome and the football setup at AT&T Park for the Emerald Bowl as similar layouts. "Since the bowl game was NCAA-certified, I just presumed if it was going on out there, it must be close but legal," Delany said. "I found out later that wasn't the right assumption." Looking at pictures from the Emerald Bowl, it doesn't look like the 6-foot regulation is met.
Delany said he "had never been put on notice that this was anything other than tight, not a blatant violation of NCAA playing rules. ... Once it was obvious to me there is a rule in play and we weren't close to being in compliance with it, it was a no-brainer [to make the change]."
Delany said the Cubs, Northwestern and Illinois all were acting in good faith but that the NCAA rules issue "was never vetted until two days ago." Delany admitted that he didn't know the rule until Redding brought it to Carollo's attention.
The Big Ten and officials from both schools discussed several options for Saturday's game, including trimming 2-3 yards off of each end zone. This would have required a waiver to the NCAA and approval. "I was still concerned that even if you cut it off by two yards, you’re still in the suspect zone of 6-12 feet," Delany said. Once they decided on today's set of rules, the Big Ten and the schools petitioned the NCAA.
Responding to the Cubs' statement about the Big Ten signing off on the field dimensions, Delany said the league's involvement in the Wrigley game was mainly relating to signage, revenue sharing and issues not related to game operations. Big Ten senior associate commissioner Mark Rudner visited Wrigley Field last week, but he wasn't there to sign off on the field dimensions. "Most of our conversations about the venue were about signage and camera locations, not about this tight fit," Delany said. "Then we received word that it was a total violation of NCAA rules." The Big Ten only deals with game operations issues for games on its own campuses.
Delany: "The timing is late. The decision is right. You could maybe make a decision not to change and take the risk, but if my is kid out there, I know how I'd feel about this."

Wow. A lot to digest here. Northwestern, by the way, declined to comment when reached Friday night.

I know Northwestern and the Cubs put a lot of time into assessing whether the field could safely fit. This was the No. 1 issue from the start. And while rules are rules, I'm not sure the Kibbie Dome or AT&T Park comply with them, either. There's clearly some gray area in regard to some of these venues.

Still, it's amazing that only after media reports and photos did this rule come to the Big Ten's attention. "I couldn’t have told you 72 hours ago that the rule was 12 feet slash six feet," Delany said.

Bottom line: this decision should have been made a lot sooner.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2010, 09:24:37 AM »
On the matter of benches, why not locate both on the same side?  That's what they did in Wrigley when the Bears played there, and what I believe they have done for all the Emerald Bowls and Shrine All-Star games played in the baseball park at San Francisco.  (Not sure what they did in S.F. for XFL and UFL games.

They are on the same side.  They will just switch at half time as to who is closer to the only usable EZ.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2010, 11:43:55 AM »
This game will take 4 hours to play with having to relocate to the other end of the field after a turnover.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2010, 12:38:27 PM »
Why not just use some simple common sense here?  No "end changing" until the offense gets to the 50 yard line heading in to the "short end zone", and then just flip sides?  The real danger comes in when the ball snaps close enough to the goal line that wide receivers and defenders are running patterns that would approach the end line (and the wall).  That's not the case if the ball is snapped on the other side of the 50.

If the teams are "switching ends" in the vicinity of the 50 with timing for TV games being what it is, there would be no noticeable impact on the overall length game at all.
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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2010, 12:43:56 PM »
With Chicago winds being what they are, doing it the way they are doing it pretty  much equalizes the impact of the wind.  Probably would not be fair to make one team go against it more than the other one does.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2010, 03:22:20 PM »
What's up with all this I-did-not-know-there-was-a-rule-stuff? Makes the people involved in this look very very amateurish. Not impressive...

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2010, 03:31:48 PM »
Allegedly they have been "working on this" since 2008.  (They being Northwestern and the Cubs).  This may explain why the Cubs are what they are but I am surprised that the brainpower at Northwestern never figured this out.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2010, 05:00:45 PM »
Allegedly they have been "working on this" since 2008.  (They being Northwestern and the Cubs).  This may explain why the Cubs are what they are but I am surprised that the brainpower at Northwestern never figured this out.

Northwestern's significant brain power lies far away from its football operations department.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2010, 12:22:50 PM »
Guys, there was an interesting play in this game. . .I think it was N'western on Offense. On a pass play, a receiver is tripped near the sideline, this action causes him to stumble and subsequently step OOB. Then the receiver catches a legal fwd pass. The SJ called Def Holding on the B players that tripped and Illegal Touching on the receiver.

Just wondering if any of you seen this play and have any thoughts.

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2010, 02:19:13 PM »
Clearly they have taken this decision because they dont want to be sued if someone was to be injured. Read something recently in REFEREE magazine about a court case of officials being sued due to a player injury where the kid ran into a cart? I'm sure that case may be a factor in their thinking.

JasonTX suggested the game might take longer because of this. I beg to differ. Here in the UK, we have had this "play in one direction" issue a few times. I've worked a couple of fields that only had one set of posts (due to vandalism) and had to do this. Pretty easy actually and didn't take any longer than a regular game. Quarter changes are a breeze - nothing happens! You simply reset the clock and carry on in the same direction.
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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2010, 02:26:02 PM »
I thought it would take longer also.  Box score says it took 3:12 so that is not all that unusual

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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2010, 08:11:13 PM »
So what happens if a team B player on a punt return or interception is heading to the other end zone with the ball - does he do a 180 at the 50yd line ? :)
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Re: Only one end zone will be used for offense Saturday at Wrigley Field
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2010, 12:03:25 PM »
So what happens if a team B player on a punt return or interception is heading to the other end zone with the ball - does he do a 180 at the 50yd line ? :)

I believe they did have an interception returned to the restricted end zone.  I think the biggest concern was passes into the endzone and room to stop after the end line.