UIL Hats...to wear or not to wear, that is the argument.

[JasonTX]

I agree about the fan part but think it should be more for the Texas High School.

My crew is going to Cowboy Stadium to watch the 3A Championship which is being worked by a Tyler crew. Should be a great game. And yeah Mike we will be paying to get in, doubt Jerry World would accept TASO ID to get in.

What do the officials have on their hats?  Please don't tell me they are sporting the UIL hats.

[TxBJ]

What do the officials have on their hats?  Please don't tell me they are sporting the UIL hats.

Looks like they are wearing them.

Game is being webcast on www.foxsportssouthwest.com.

[TxSkyBolt]

I agree about the fan part but think it should be more for the Texas High School.

My crew is going to Cowboy Stadium to watch the 3A Championship which is being worked by a Tyler crew. Should be a great game. And yeah Mike we will be paying to get in, doubt Jerry World would accept TASO ID to get in.

Please remind the Tyler crew that just because the good UIL Doctor gives them UIL hats, they don't have to wear them.

[Etref]

Too late!

[TXMike]

Can't wait to hear the reason why they agreed to wear those things.   Did UIL tell them the game would not go forward if they did not?  I doubt it.  Were they tole they would not get paid if they did not wear them?  I can't imagine anyone would care about that.

[TxJim]

Game is being webcast on www.foxsportssouthwest.com.

For those that have Time Warner cable, the Class 3A Div. I Henderson vs. Tyler Chapel Hill game from Friday night will be rebroadcast on The Texas Channel this morning (Saturday Dec. 11) at 10:30 AM CST.

[TxSkyBolt]

For those that have Time Warner cable, the Class 3A Div. I Henderson vs. Tyler Chapel Hill game from Friday night will be rebroadcast on The Texas Channel this morning (Saturday Dec. 11) at 10:30 AM CST.

Have not heard of that channel...What is the number?

[TexDoc]

What do the officials have on their hats?  Please don't tell me they are sporting the UIL hats.

Pitiful and sad.

[TxJim]

Have not heard of that channel...What is the number?

Central Tx, San Antonio, Austin, RGV, Laredo - Channel 888
Dallas  -185
Corpus -100

[ornery1]

I thought the Tyler crew was very well prepared, looked the part and overall did an exceptional job last night. Add to the fact that they refused to be intimidated by the good ole boy system of TASO and chose to wear the quite spectacular UIL hats at the request of the Great UIL leader Dr B. Great move and the hats only made you look better. Great job by all. I just hope I can get another chance to wear my UIL hat on week 16 again. We can only hope.   Great job Tyler!!!!!

[Arbitrator]

I thought the Tyler crew was very well prepared, looked the part and overall did an exceptional job last night. Add to the fact that they refused to be intimidated by the good ole boy system of TASO and chose to wear the quite spectacular UIL hats at the request of the Great UIL leader Dr B. Great move and the hats only made you look better. Great job by all. I just hope I can get another chance to wear my UIL hat on week 16 again. We can only hope.   Great job Tyler!!!!!

 

Yeah,   Ornery! We're all pretty sure that you probably found "your" UIL hat in a dumpster, or purchased it somewhere from either some weak-kneed supplier, or you just probably got in the throws of sheer desperation and bought it from the UIL website. But since the UIL apparently sponsors an on-going apple-polishing contest over there on Manor Road, you probably could have satisfied your quota so hastily that you could instantly qualify for a case of those nasty things. Happy wearing,   Nostradumbus! You're still definitely in the slim minority!  

[texref]

Too late!

Rick you were there what's the story on the crew wearing the hats? Have these guys been supporting UIL all along (so it was no surprise)?

[WABill]

.. the Great UIL leader Dr B. The man who threw his underling under the bus.  What a great man!

FIFY

[Cooter]

Rick you were there what's the story on the crew wearing the hats? Have these guys been supporting UIL all along (so it was no surprise)?

Don't want to offend by jumping a question to Rick, but if i may:  The majority of the crews in the Tyler chapter registered - most did so after the president and varsity secretary indicated their intent to register - not so much on the UIL bandwagon, just decided that's the route they were going to go.  It is most of our desire that the chapter remain TASO but we will register.  NOT ALL REGISTERED - as attested by Rick and others - but I feel confident in saying the majority did.

Now - as far as the crew in question - it is my opinion that they are the best crew in Texas - the Ref is a former football coach and very respected by coaches in east Texas - one crew member is a D1 college basketball ref - several are former D1 athletes - and all are outstanding officials.  This is their second year in a row to be coach requested for state championships.  By all accounts, they did an outstanding job officiating the state championship game.

I'm having a hard time coming to grips with criticism by some that they were asked to and accepted the request to wear a hat with a UIL emblem.  Doesn't UIL oversee all playoff/state championship games?  Most of us don't like Timmons - I get it - but the UIL is much more than Timmons - they rolled out the red carpet for this crew and I'm sure many others who had state games.  If given the same opportunity, of which I have never had, I would gladly wear the hat and be honored to not only represent TASO and UIL, but my chapter - which this particular crew did in an exemplary manner.

[ornery1]

I could not have said it any better myself, Cooter!!!!!!

[Arbitrator]

Don't want to offend by jumping a question to Rick, but if i may:  The majority of the crews in the Tyler chapter registered - most did so after the president and varsity secretary indicated their intent to register - not so much on the UIL bandwagon, just decided that's the route they were going to go.  It is most of our desire that the chapter remain TASO but we will register.  NOT ALL REGISTERED - as attested by Rick and others - but I feel confident in saying the majority did.

Now - as far as the crew in question - it is my opinion that they are the best crew in Texas - the Ref is a former football coach and very respected by coaches in east Texas - one crew member is a D1 college basketball ref - several are former D1 athletes - and all are outstanding officials.  This is their second year in a row to be coach requested for state championships.  By all accounts, they did an outstanding job officiating the state championship game.

I'm having a hard time coming to grips with criticism by some that they were asked to and accepted the request to wear a hat with a UIL emblem.  Doesn't UIL oversee all playoff/state championship games?  Most of us don't like Timmons - I get it - but the UIL is much more than Timmons - they rolled out the red carpet for this crew and I'm sure many others who had state games.  If given the same opportunity, of which I have never had, I would gladly wear the hat and be honored to not only represent TASO and UIL, but my chapter - which this particular crew did in an exemplary manner.

 

While I mildly see your point, it is all too apparent that we are engaged in a legal battle with these people that TASO is footing the bill for. In essence, that's part of what our dues that is being paid for in this legal battle in which TASO is fighting for its very existence. My question is: "Where's your loyalty?" We have a group of people who values the avocation more than TASO itself. And it is all too apparent that they are willing to sell their souls to the devil in order to accomplish their ends. That is why basketball and a number of the other TASO sports have richly drank from the UIL Kool-Aid well, and are busy trying to follow the UIL to the greatness that they have so profusely promised them while being led off the cliff like a herd of lemmings. Prove to us why registering with the UIL is not an act of cowardice and disloyalty to TASO! Way too many officials have overwhelmingly proven by their actions that there is no loyalty to the organization that has defended and represented us for more than 50 years. Without TASO, our voice will be silenced and the UIL will put us somewhere in the back of their bus like the fourth class citizenry that they deem us to be. And once they are in control, they will start treating and paying us like it. The UIL has only one thing in mind: to create something that is going to richly benefit the schools, the superintendents, the administrators, and more importantly themselves. Trust me! They are definitely not in it for the good of the officials! How many TASO hats have you seen the  Good UIL Dr. or his  Dancing Monkey wear in the last couple of years?

Wear those UIL hats with pride, all of you "TASO dues paying members" that choose to do so! But it is eeriely all too reminiscent of those World War II Slavic nations so quickly donning the swastica in order to foster their very own existence!  

[Cooter]

Arbitor,

I take great offense at being called a Nazi and Coward - I've tried to respect differing opinions and provide for some discourse on subjects - even those I don't particularly like.  My first thought is to find you and kick your BUTT, however, I chose to take the high road.  You have insulted a lot of great men who know that their true character and honor comes not from a patch or uniform, but the way they chose to live their lives.  Dude - you have really got issues.  

[Arbitrator]

Arbitor,

I take great offense at being called a Nazi and Coward - I've tried to respect differing opinions and provide for some discourse on subjects - even those I don't particularly like.  My first thought is to find you and kick your BUTT, however, I chose to take the high road.  You have insulted a lot of great men who know that their true character and honor comes not from a patch or uniform, but the way they chose to live their lives.  Dude - you have really got issues.  

 

 If you'll carefully examine and read my last post, I did not call anyone a Nazi or a coward. Any learned student of history can attest to the facts that I cited. If you take offense, then you do so of your own accord. The insults that I've made are against the very principles who are so feverishly attempting to usurp and replace this great organization of ours. Unlike you, I have never offered to "look someone up and kick their BUTT". While that statement, having the aura of Naziism, may well be the official UIL line on things, it has never been one of TASO's! If you are so inclined to support the UIL takeover, then that is entirely your business. As long as you can supply the needed rationale of why such a takeover is needed and beneficial for high school officials, then I can respect that too. But so far I have not heard any of that from you, or from any UIL-leaning individual.

I have dealt with the UIL first-hand as both a TASO Chapter President and as a District Director. Trust me: they have a marked track record of saying one thing, then doing completely another through their various misstatements, innuendos, as well as their bait and switch tactics. The sole purpose in my commentary is to provide the rationale of staying in place with the organization that we now have because no one could better advocate the issues and needs of officials any better than TASO has.

In any event, I do not (and never will) wish you or any UIL sympathizer any ill-will. And the only true issue that I greatly champion is the preservation of TASO. And if anyone ever finds themselves with a propensity for the overt or clandestine commission or verbal advocacy of violence, I'd like for us all to remember that when Christ was slapped, he merely turned the other cheek to his assailant. In the spirit of the Season, I would like to offer the same to you!  

[TxSkyBolt]

...they rolled out the red carpet for this crew and I'm sure many others who had state games. 

They sure must have changed since last years 3A Champ game....

Best regards,

Brad

[TxGrayhat]

Prove to me where registering is a cowardly act !  If I get a choice (which will now be decided by a judge) I choose TASO. But in all reality for most of us regular guys that are not past presidents or regional directors with relationships and the percieved perks those positions provide. We only have relationships with our chapter. Most will choose to CALL FOOTBALL regardless of what patch or lack there of. I don't think any of you decided to join TASO first. I am sure you all decided to become Official first.TASO was the recognized organization for us to do so. Don't forget Crews wore the UIL HAT in the Championship games before all this crap started. So instead of lowering yourself to the same type of name calling and comments that ornery1 uses step back and consider those of us that did register did not quit TASO, we are not cowards and we not disloyal we are also not Officers of TASO we are dues paying members.  most of us would not be opposed to being members of both. If I choose to be a member of NASO also does that make me a coward too? after all its a diferent organization ?  Make no mistake about it the chapter membership wants TASO to win and would not change if there is an either or choice. But most will call Football regardless thats not a cowardly act. Its a choice to call football because most of us don't have enough years in to be able to just walk away.

[tow]

There are states where the counter part to the UIL and local official associations coexist,why can't you all in Texas do the same?

[williebe]

There are states where the counter part to the UIL and local official associations coexist,why can't you all in Texas do the same?

We have tried tow trust me.

[Etref]

Rick you were there what's the story on the crew wearing the hats? Have these guys been supporting UIL all along (so it was no surprise)?

Well, I have stayed out of this purposely but here it is.


Did I think the hats were the in thing?                 No, I thought they were ugly.

Do I think any less of the guys who wore them?         Absolutely not!

Do I think the guys were trying to make a statement about their feeling with the TASO/UIL mess?             Absolutely not. I do not think anyone on that crew had registered with UIL.

Why did they wear them?                  I have not talked with them about it and probably will not. I did text the crew chief after the game and told him they did a great job despite the ugly hats. I believe he will take it in the spirit which I intended, as a joke.

Would I wear one.                Probably not at this juncture but I have not had the opportunity to make the decision. I hope I do have the chance someday.

Do I belive that someone who registered with UIL was cowardly?        Absolutely not. Each person has to make up their own mind on what they should do about this situation. Like it or not at some point we are going to have to sit down with UIL and work things out. They control the schools which hire us

Do I want TASO to be around as organization?             Definitely!

Do I think UIL has our best interest at heart?                     Hell no!

Do I think UIL has some things to offer TASO?            Yes


Rick

[TexDoc]

There are states where the counter part to the UIL and local official associations coexist,why can't you all in Texas do the same?

tow, it just isn't that easy.  It could have worked if it were not done the way it was done and if not for the incredibly huge egos involved.

[WABill]

Its a choice to call football because most of us don't have enough years in to be able to just walk away.

You always have the choice to walk away with no yearly requirement.  No one holds a gun to your head making you call or not call.  They may hold a hat with a goofy patch to your head, but you always have the choice.