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Re: Hypothetical for Ornery and Other Like-Minded Folks
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2010, 02:20:57 PM »
I know this for a fact our chapter training was FAR better this year than the past years Every week we had video and very competant trainers. IE on the field experience, collage, and so on. So if the chapters are not getting training it is the chapters fault not TASO. I understand that we can not make all chapter meetings for this training but i feel sure if you as an official and could not make a meeting these videos could be made available. IMO.

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Re: Hypothetical for Ornery and Other Like-Minded Folks
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2010, 03:45:30 PM »
As of TODAY, the TASO website lists 4 links for training:  Football Scrimmages, Proper Uniform Empasis, Tie Breaker System and 6-man rules.  This horse needs a deeper well.


These are also on the TASO site


2010 Points of Emphasis

2010 NCAA Rules Changes with Texas High School Exceptions

2010 Mechanic Changes

2010 Texas High School Rules Exceptions
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Re: Hypothetical for Ornery and Other Like-Minded Folks
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2010, 03:48:12 PM »
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It's my understanding that the UIL Basketball is currently implementing films/publications from the National Federation for its "training purposes." They are definitely not making use of the TASO Basketball Mechanics Manual that was published and distributed several years back. Because of the lawsuit and more notably their egos, I really don't think that they intend to use TASO to help with training anything. Unless they can find some sympathetic  and reputable "TASO trainer" from football to come to their aid, I really think that they will go the National Federation route. Just my opinion!   z^
As of TODAY, the TASO website lists 4 links for training:  Football Scrimmages, Proper Uniform Empasis, Tie Breaker System and 6-man rules.  This horse needs a deeper well.

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If you should find yourself getting bored and have absolutely nothing to do, take a gander at the UIL Officials Website, and you'll find a whopping three links on it regarding "training." They are (1) National Federation of High Schools, (2) Arbiter Sports, and (3) Referee. Of these, only the National Federation offers a limited amount of publications, but mostly just rules books: Nothing to do with training. Arbiter Sports certainly doesn't appear to be a training maven as they mostly concern themselves with registration and pay data for officials. Referee would come closer than the other two to offering something for training purposes, but they normally only market supplemental rules and mechanics books. And as far as the UIL is concerned, they are certainly not a training organization either. They don't publish any training documents, training manuals, nor do they have anyone in their employ that is even mildly converscent with the rules. Given that, it is all too clear why the UIL seems to be channeling most of its energy toward the National Federation!

Given what TASO has, inasfar as its many years of experience, its eminently qualified instructors, and its storied association with its resources within both the NCAA and the CCA, the UIL blatantly appears neophytic by comparison. It is all too apparent that TASO's rules resources and their interpretors have probably forgotten more about rules than their UIL counterparts have ever even bothered to learn!

So you've got a rules question: Who are you going pose your question to and trust that they'll be able to give you the correct answer?: (A) Tony Timmons,  or (B) Mike Fitch/ Bud Alexander. We all know, all too well, who it is that the UIL's Dr. Breithaupt will call for his rules interpretation: And while it overtly smacks of hypocracy, let's just say that that person is proudly affiliated only with TASO!   z^
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Re: Hypothetical for Ornery and Other Like-Minded Folks
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2010, 04:18:04 AM »
Because they (the Fed) would be an instantly available source of training materials to replace TASO.  The other option would be the CCA manuals and the lowest they go are 5 man mechanics.  Alternatively, the only other option I can conceive of would be for the UIL to reinvent the wheel and create a brand new set of materials.

I suspect this is why the UIL's stated intention is to have TASO continue to do the training...which I don't see happening if the local chapters start changing over to UIL.

Two_Flakes or someone else can correct me, but I believe in the BAFRA manual I saw they had 4 man mechanics (that was a few years ago)

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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2010, 09:03:48 AM »
Ah good point, that would be another option.  We'd still need a three man mechanics manual also (maybe even a one man mechanics manual, eh Mike?).

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Re: Hypothetical for Ornery and Other Like-Minded Folks
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2010, 09:09:55 AM »
Ah good point, that would be another option.  We'd still need a three man mechanics manual also (maybe even a one man mechanics manual, eh Mike?).

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Re: Hypothetical for Ornery and Other Like-Minded Folks
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2010, 09:39:43 AM »
Ah good point, that would be another option.  We'd still need a three man mechanics manual also (maybe even a one man mechanics manual, eh Mike?).



From the TASO website


see the TASO website_members only

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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2010, 09:45:40 AM »


From the TASO website


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And congratulations about the arrival of the little one!



Thanks, Rick!

And you prove my point, TASO has created these manuals for us already.  But if we no longer use their training, who is the UIL going to turn to?
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Re: Hypothetical for Ornery and Other Like-Minded Folks
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2010, 01:18:19 PM »


From the TASO website





And congratulations about the arrival of the little one!



Rick,

Your intent was good, but please take down this link.  Read the All Rights Reserved clause on the first page of the manual.  These are for the use of TASO members only and not to be on a public forum

Best regards,

Brad
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2010, 02:38:21 PM »
Rick,

Your intent was good, but please take down this link.  Read the All Rights Reserved clause on the first page of the manual.  These are for the use of TASO members only and not to be on a public forum

Best regards,

Brad

fixed it Brad.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2010, 02:40:54 PM »
Brad, you need to take it out of your own post also. :)

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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2010, 04:29:39 PM »
Brad, you need to take it out of your own post also. :)

OOps, done,

thanks!

Brad