Personal Foul - Use of Knee ?

[TXMike]

Some asked for the video, here it is. This is all the network showed and it is not definitive in my mind.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmtlwXtI53Y

[Atlanta Blue]

I was pulling for Auburn, and at the 1:18 mark, it's looks pretty definitive to me.  Smith used his knee to knock an Oregon player to the ground, well after the play was over.

I think this was far more egregious than the Arkansas block into Hayward you showed the other day.

[TXMike]

I see the Ore player on ground on hands and knees with Aub player behind him. Aub player starts to knee the Ore player in the arse but holds up. His lower leg does get entangled with Ore player though

[Atlanta Blue]

I see the Ore player on ground on hands and knees with Aub player behind him. Aub player starts to knee the Ore player in the arse but holds up. His lower leg does get entangled with Ore player though

Holds up?  Looks like a follow through to me!

[Rulesman]

I thought #32's knee to the whatever was a foul worthy of ejection last night, and still do after watching the video again (Thanks, Mike). And like Blue, I was pulling for Auburn.

[110]

I thought #32's knee to the whatever was a foul worthy of ejection last night, and still do after watching the video again (Thanks, Mike). And like Blue, I was pulling for Auburn.

Maybe my standards are different - we're taught that any *attempted* blow is good enough for a toss. This looked nasty enough for me to warrant ejection.

[VALJ]

An EJ would have worked for me, too.

[bama_stripes]

(Disclaimer: I wasn't pulling for or against either team)
I've watched this clip repeatedly, and have concluded that #32's action, while certainly a personal foul, does not rise to the level of "flagrant".

It's unfortunate that this is the only angle available, and that we can't see what might have precipitated his actions.

[Rulesman]

(Disclaimer: I wasn't pulling for or against either team)
I've watched this clip repeatedly, and have concluded that #32's action, while certainly a personal foul, does not rise to the level of "flagrant".

It's unfortunate that this is the only angle available, and that we can't see what might have precipitated his actions.

bama, fighting is an ejectable offense. Read 2-32-1 and tell me his actions don't fall under what's written in 2-32-1a. And the fact that we can't see "what might have precipitated his actions" does not give him a license to retaliate.

[AlUpstateNY]

I'd ask myself one question.  Was this a deliberate and intentional "cheap shot", if the answer is "yes" the player is absolutely gone.  I can't think of any excuse, rationalization or reason not to answer a clear and obvuious "yes" in this situation.

[Bullycon]

Did he attempt to strike with his knee, or did he attempt to shove with his knee? Is there a difference?

[Etref]

On the video it looks intentional to me. Also the reaction from his coach tells me he saw it as intentional also.

Could have easily been an ejection but I can understand why they may not have done so.

[AlUpstateNY]

Something I'm relatively convinced of;  when any player gets "away" with a cheap shot, there are 21 other players who are aware of that fact and are thinking about it and whether retribution is called for.

[fbrefga]

IMO, this was a flagrant foul that deserved an ejection.  The rule is there for us to enforce.  When we, collectively, decide not to enforce the cheap, flagrant shots in the manner prescribed; our jobs are made more difficult.  This type of behavior should result in the same enforcement in September, October, November or any bowl game.
 

[zebra99]

IMO, this was a flagrant foul that deserved an ejection.  The rule is there for us to enforce.  When we, collectively, decide not to enforce the cheap, flagrant shots in the manner prescribed; our jobs are made more difficult.  This type of behavior should result in the same enforcement in September, October, November or any bowl game.
 

don't disagree with your words - but, as I'm sure you know, it's a different situation on the field.  We sit at home and review it over and over again so it's easy to form a definite "I'm right and the officials are wrong" stance.

Ejection is the highest sanction we have with serious consequences and, personally, I would much rather err on the side of under calling it than reacting too quickly.

[Atlanta Blue]

don't disagree with your words - but, as I'm sure you know, it's a different situation on the field.  We sit at home and review it over and over again so it's easy to form a definite "I'm right and the officials are wrong" stance.

Ejection is the highest sanction we have with serious consequences and, personally, I would much rather err on the side of under calling it than reacting too quickly.

 I don't disagree at all.  Just saying that from my point of view, it sure looked ejectable to me.

I have had the same thing in baseball.  Some friend asks me after the game, "How did you let the coach stick around?  I would have run him."  Funny, I didn't even hear him, it didn't rise to the level I needed to justify an ejection to me from where I was standing.

Although I do think there is a difference in the coach being in your ear and a player swinging (or kneeing) another player.

[ref6983]

I don't disagree at all.  Just saying that from my point of view, it sure looked ejectable to me.

I have had the same thing in baseball.  Some friend asks me after the game, "How did you let the coach stick around?  I would have run him."  Funny, I didn't even hear him, it didn't rise to the level I needed to justify an ejection to me from where I was standing.

Although I do think there is a difference in the coach being in your ear and a player swinging (or kneeing) another player.

2-9-1 describes a flagrant foul as one so extreme or deliberate that it puts an opponent in danger of catastrophic injury. I don't see where this even comes close as it's more of a pushing action rather than a swinging action when a player kicks an opponent.

Had this been to the head, then the possibility of ejection would have merit.

[sj]

It obviously wasn't that bad because the player had his arms up after it was over. And we all know that means he's innocent.

[Etref]

2-9-1 describes a flagrant foul as one so extreme or deliberate that it puts an opponent in danger of catastrophic injury. I don't see where this even comes close as it's more of a pushing action rather than a swinging action when a player kicks an opponent.

Had this been to the head, then the possibility of ejection would have merit.

Well if you look at the video, the victim is bleeding from the head   

[TXMike]

He lost his helmet before the knee action so I would not put his bleeding head and the knee together

[ref6983]

Well if you look at the video, the victim is bleeding from the head   

Probably caused by the blow to the head he received during the play by the same opponent that kneed him in the rear end.