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http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/member-page/?district=29

He filed a bill yesterday that is VERY interesting ...It is attached

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 07:48:48 AM »
I just looked it up.
It is HB 3028
 He needs to be supported and thanked.


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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 07:50:26 AM »
Facinating.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 08:26:39 AM »
So if I'm reading this right...would this bill effectively abolish Section 1204 entirely?

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 08:40:08 AM »
Sorry to barge in on your discussion, but I'm a little confused by this paragraph:

SECTIONA2.AA This Act takes effect immediately if it receives
a vote of two-thirds of all the members elected to each house, as
provided by Section 39, Article III, Texas Constitution. If this
Act does not receive the vote necessary for immediate effect, this
Act takes effect September 1, 2011.

I'm no politician, but how can an act take effect if it does not receive the appropriate number of votes?  Or, am I just reading this wrong?

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 08:45:35 AM »
That's how we roll down here.  We don't need to pass it to implement it.


Seriously, the supermajority means it goes into effect rat now!!!   Simple majority means it goes into effect in Sept

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 08:49:47 AM »
That's how we roll down here.  We don't need to pass it to implement it.


Seriously, the supermajority means it goes into effect rat now!!!   Simple majority means it goes into effect in Sept

I should know this but.... does the Senate need to pass a similar bill which will then be sent to the Governor for his signature?

I sent Rep. Weber a note of support for this bill and also encouraged my Rep and Senator to support it as well.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 08:52:33 AM »
(b)AAThe University Interscholastic League may not register,
charge fees to, or require membership in or attempt to register,
charge fees to, or require membership in any sponsoring
organization of sports officials as a precondition for a sports
official to contract with a school district or open-enrollment
charter school.

Anyone else here have the concern that I do about this in regards to (b). Plain language interpretation would mean they cannot require membership in any organization, that would include TASO. So everyone could just contract on their own with no regulation at all. I see the problem of: "Coach my buddies and I would like to buy you lunch 3 days a week and we'll make sure you are well taken care of on Friday nights". Isn't this the problem  that led to the formation of SOA back in the 30's? Sometimes you do need some level of regulation.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2011, 09:10:29 AM »
That's how we roll down here.  We don't need to pass it to implement it.
Seriously, the supermajority means it goes into effect rat now!!!   Simple majority means it goes into effect in Sept
Good to see that you guys have some support in the legislature. Gotta say as a neutral, Ive always leaned toward the TASO view. Some of my British colleagues have visited with y'all and worked games in Texas and had good things to say about the TASO guys and Texas football. We are independent over here in the UK too and have had our equivalent of the UIL at that time try to force us to do things in the past. They failed.

This voting system in your State legislature is an interesting concept.

So what it means is that it still needs a simple majority vote to go into law in Sept, but a super majority passes it on the day of the vote.
How do they manage the process of deciding the date (Sept in this case)?  How do they ensure there is time for the bill to be debated and voted on before that date if the house has a lot of bills in the pipeline? Is it 6 months on from the date of the bill being submitted or is it variable depending on how busy the House is?
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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2011, 09:21:12 AM »
Good to see that you guys have some support in the legislature. Gotta say as a neutral, Ive always leaned toward the TASO view. Some of my British colleagues have visited with y'all and worked games in Texas and had good things to say about the TASO guys and Texas football. We are independent over here in the UK too and have had our equivalent of the UIL at that time try to force us to do things in the past. They failed.

This voting system in your State legislature is an interesting concept.

So what it means is that it still needs a simple majority vote to go into law in Sept, but a super majority passes it on the day of the vote.
How do they manage the process of deciding the date (Sept in this case)?  How do they ensure there is time for the bill to be debated and voted on before that date if the house has a lot of bills in the pipeline? Is it 6 months on from the date of the bill being submitted or is it variable depending on how busy the House is?

  Generally, the legislature in finished with its session by the end of May.  Any bill passed during the session generally goes into effect September 1st of that year (unless passed by a 2/3 majority to allow it to go into effect as soon as signed).  So debate, discussion etc will happen between now and end of May.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2011, 09:28:02 AM »
  I do think this proposed legislation does eliminate 1204 and every district will be able to set separate game fees.  Not so sure that is a good idea.  That can allow schools to cut fees for budgetary reasons -- could create shortages in some areas.  On the other hand -- true supply and demand economics will be in play -- schools and officials will have to find a "fair market price" for services or shortages of officials will occur in some areas or sports.


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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2011, 09:42:51 AM »
Mr. Weber,

Thank you for your support of Texas sports officials with the introduction of HB 3028.  I appreciate your efforts and will be watching closely.  What is going on with the tyrants that run the UIL is an absolute travesty and your attempt to control this "government agency" from running amok and abusing their power is crucial to interscholastic athletics in Texas.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 10:29:16 AM »
  I do think this proposed legislation does eliminate 1204 and every district will be able to set separate game fees.  Not so sure that is a good idea.  That can allow schools to cut fees for budgetary reasons -- could create shortages in some areas.  On the other hand -- true supply and demand economics will be in play -- schools and officials will have to find a "fair market price" for services or shortages of officials will occur in some areas or sports.

Heck...everyone else has collective bargaining...why not referees!!!

Seriously, I think you'll see regional collaborations of TASO chapters get together and agree to set fair prices for chapters and schools.  I would love to meet at the Regional Education Service Centers with the AD's and Supers to set a rate that would be uniform for the whole region.  I think that we would get fair treatment and some of our regional issues would be better resolved by a regional consortium than by an oppressive state agency that tries to set a one size fits all policy.  Texas is a large and a very diverse place.  Metro officials have different issues than rural officials.  I believe that we are 100% capable of working with the schools we serve to create a mutually beneficial agreement that works for both parties.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 11:13:51 AM »
(b)AAThe University Interscholastic League may not register,
charge fees to, or require membership in or attempt to register,
charge fees to, or require membership in any sponsoring
organization of sports officials as a precondition for a sports
official to contract with a school district or open-enrollment
charter school.

Anyone else here have the concern that I do about this in regards to (b). Plain language interpretation would mean they cannot require membership in any organization, that would include TASO. So everyone could just contract on their own with no regulation at all. I see the problem of: "Coach my buddies and I would like to buy you lunch 3 days a week and we'll make sure you are well taken care of on Friday nights". Isn't this the problem  that led to the formation of SOA back in the 30's? Sometimes you do need some level of regulation.

I did not see this at first but yes this clause could cause issues.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2011, 11:17:21 AM »
How many bills get passed the way they are written?  This just invites an amendment before passage. 

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2011, 11:19:30 AM »
The way I'm reading this - if passed, it will allow "rogue" crews to accept assignments with no affiliation to either UIL or TASO.  Be afraid when Politicians become involved in your business - very afraid.   >:D

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2011, 11:20:50 AM »
How many bills get passed the way they are written?  This just invites an amendment before passage. 

I wonder if the wording on "sponsoring" is supposed to imply from or within the UIL?

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2011, 11:21:57 AM »
The way I'm reading this - if passed, it will allow "rogue" crews to accept assignments with no affiliation to either UIL or TASO.  Be afraid when Politicians become involved in your business - very afraid.   >:D

Nice, and this is what we wanted to begin with two years ago. Ok back to reading mechanics.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2011, 11:49:57 AM »
The way I'm reading this - if passed, it will allow "rogue" crews to accept assignments with no affiliation to either UIL or TASO.  Be afraid when Politicians become involved in your business - very afraid.   >:D

Seems that this legislation gets the politicians/bureaucrats out of our business.  This is deregulation. 

Don't you think that schools/coaches would seek to continue to affiliate with local chapters for services instead of seeking independent operators?

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2011, 12:03:05 PM »
I think you guys are completely missing the boat on section b.

This is the United States, the legislature is NOT going to give monopolistic powers to ANY private organization.  TASO has never said it wants to be a monopoly, just that is unfair to compete with the UIL because the UIL has the ability to give game assignments.  TASO is absolutely willing to compete with other private (or as termed earlier "rogue") entities.  TASO will win that competition every time.  Every coach would rather have a TASO affiliated Chapter assign its games then the "Getting Fat" Chapter where Getting Fat promises to supply officials he finds but cannot promise those officials have the same training, resources, and pool of officials to choose from as a TASO Chapter.

This is a win-win, and I have no concerns with TASO's ability to compete on an even playing field.

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2011, 12:15:06 PM »
Seems that this legislation gets the politicians/bureaucrats out of our business.  This is deregulation. 

Don't you think that schools/coaches would seek to continue to affiliate with local chapters for services instead of seeking independent operators?

In our area - absolutely.  Not so sure in other areas.  I also think the legislation can be "tweaked" with a few words here and there making it much more beneficial to TASO.  I applaud the politician for trying to do something on TASO'S behalf - but I don't trust politicians.  I would agree with  z^ in that this issue is currently in the courts - let's see how that plays out before we start a new battle.  Whatever the case - with weather like we have in Tyler today - I'm ready to put on the stripes!

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2011, 04:53:49 PM »
You guys are welcome. He is my congressman and yes I voted for him. Go Randy.

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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2011, 09:37:28 PM »
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Plain language interpretation would mean they cannot require membership in any organization, that would include TASO.

I don't think UIL should favor any organization. TASO needs to stand on their own and if another organization (or no specific org, but a group of officials) pop up and gets game assignments, that's fine with me.

If this were to go through, I don't anticipate basketball, for example, coming back to TASO. They'll form their own org.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2011, 09:38:12 AM »
This bill will accomplish what has been desperately needed for many years - a clear seaparation between the UIL and officials. However, it still doesn't solve the issue of assignment of officials. In fact, as written, it can throw the assignment process wide open - not a good thing. Schools/coaches will still have the ability to hire anyone they want, for whatever compensation to which they both agree. At best, unqualified or egotistical individuals can offer cut-rate services to secure assignments. At worst, unscrupulous individuals can offer and provide "favorable" officiating to employers to get assignments and/or greater compensation.

If this bill passes as is, TASO's best hope is to put its best foot forward and show that its members are, and always will be, better trained and more competent than those unaffiliated, and that TASO is willing to work with the UIL to establish a fair, reasonable, and consistent compensation package for its membership, state-wide. Schools/coaches must not be part of the official selection process, or TASO will be right back to where they were before all this started. TASO must insist that they be solely responsible for assigning its officials to contests, without input or influence from the schools. TASO must offer the UIL a state-wide assignment policy that allows for some level of 'refusal' by teams (i.e., a limited 'scratch' policy), as well as defines how officials will be assigned to contests. TASO must offer a methodology by which teams can have a game(s)/individual play(s) reviewed by a small multi-partisan committee (TASO/UIL/Independent third party) to resolve complaints, with an established plan for accountability by both sides (although the outcome of a 'final' score can never be changed).
This is, essentially, how it works for virtually all other levels of sports. The NCAA conferences, the AFL, the NFL, etc., each have a director/coordinator of officiating that maintains a staff of officials, has sole authority and responsibility for making assignments to contests, and has sole authority and responsibility for the quality of the officiating that is presented. The coordinator is responsible only to a "commissioner," never to the competitors. In this case, TASO would be the coordinator, and the UIL would be the commissioner (of sorts). If the UIL believed it could get superior officiating by working with another group, they would be free to 'fire' TASO, and go elsewhere, just as a commissioner can 'fire' a coordinator.
TASO's ability to maintain a staff of sufficient size and quality to fulfill all UIL assignments (all levels) would be its primary asset. But that asset would have to be maintained at a minimum performance level, or, just as in the business world, that asset becomes a liabilty and would be replaced.
Fair enough. Let's give it a try.
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Re: Texas House of Representatives Member Randy Weber Stands up to UIL
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2011, 01:43:43 PM »
 ^flag

My question is that if this thing passes by the supermajority margin, would it, in any way, make the existing lawsuit by TASO vs. The UIL null and void? Why or why not?   z^