UIL re Changing to NFHS Rules

[TXMike]

Take a look at this document dating back to 2006

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/leaguer/leaguer-archives/apr_may_2006.pdf

[TXMike]

Page 10 is where the article is

[Arbitrator]

Page 10 is where the article is

...and notoriously authored by one of the more noteable standing defendants in TASO's  current litigation with the Manor Road Crowd! Now that's what's rich!   

[WABill]

While there may be more games worked under NCAA rules in Texas versus the NCAA, he sure is arrogant in the relative worth of the comments and rule changes suggested by Texas coaches.  That's right, I forgot who authored the article.

[Etref]

While there may be more games worked under NCAA rules in Texas versus the NCAA, he sure is arrogant in the relative worth of the comments and rule changes suggested by Texas coaches.  That's right, I forgot who authored the article.

Actually, many of the NCAA rule changes were made to counter what TX HS coaches could come up with................................

[Cooter]

Why not NFHS?  More readily available training material - no "exceptions to the rules" - follows 99% of other state HS football programs - seriously - what is the problem, other than hatred for UIL?

[DallasLJ]

Why not NFHS?  More readily available training material - no "exceptions to the rules" - follows 99% of other state HS football programs - seriously - what is the problem, other than hatred for UIL?

  I think it helps make Texas officials easier picks for the next level since we already officiate to the NCAA rules.  I think it make the plays more ready because they also play to those rules.  Face guarding, able to get back on defensive offisides, etc.  Small differences matter.  There is plent of NCAA rules materials -- why go backwards!

[TXMike]

The most significant issue I see is the retraining that would be required.  Is the state really willing to accept the diminished performance of officials while they retrain?  Plus, how many of us are willing to take on the efFort of retraining?

[Etref]

Going from NCAA to NFHS makes about as much sense to me as Chinese arithmetic

[Grant - AR]

Going from NCAA to NFHS makes about as much sense to me as Chinese arithmetic

[Cooter]

Going from NCAA to NFHS makes about as much sense to me as Chinese arithmetic

Are the differences really that great?  I've never worked NFHS but have studied them to some degree - didn't really think they were in complete conflict with NCAA other than in very few areas.  I'm not wanting a lesson on NFHS - just curious about the reluctance to change - some above points make sense - but I don't see a change as a deal killer - would you stop officiating if we went to NFHS???

[rickref]

Why not NFHS?  More readily available training material - no "exceptions to the rules" - follows 99% of other state HS football programs - seriously - what is the problem, other than hatred for UIL?

I have never had issues finding training material.

[jjseikel]

  I think it helps make Texas officials easier picks for the next level since we already officiate to the NCAA rules.

BINGO!

Are the differences really that great?  I've never worked NFHS but have studied them to some degree - didn't really think they were in complete conflict with NCAA other than in very few areas.

The officials that I have met from Texas would have no problem adapting to NFHS rules for HS contests and still being able to retain and apply NCAA rules for college games, (Yes, they are almost as sharp as Oklahoma officials. ) but why would the powers that be even consider adding to the challenges that learning, applying and enforcing two sets of rules codes presents? Texas football officials already have the best of both worlds.. NCAA rules and TASO!

Just an opinion from North of the Red River.

[JasonTX]

Are the differences really that great?  I've never worked NFHS but have studied them to some degree - didn't really think they were in complete conflict with NCAA other than in very few areas.  I'm not wanting a lesson on NFHS - just curious about the reluctance to change - some above points make sense - but I don't see a change as a deal killer - would you stop officiating if we went to NFHS???

I'm not sure I would quit, but I don't think I could be as dedicated at the rules if we were to switch.  Some of the NFHS rules make no sense to me.  You'd probably see a lot a games under NFHS being officated by officials using NCAA rules.

[Coby]

As much as everyone says Texas has some of the best QB's it is the OL and DL that have been taught how to cut someone that the college coaches love to recruit.  Texas is one of only a couple of states that says you must teach in order to coach.  This leads to higher quality of coaches and techniques being taught.  Too many kids would get hurt cut blocking someone as taught by the idiot volunteer coach.  Almost every coach I have ever talked to prefers NCAA to NFHS in Texas and abroad.

[TXMike]

would you stop officiating if we went to NFHS???

Yep

[Etref]

Ditto


Worked Fed rules one year and hated it. Have no plans to learn them.

[GWK]

- would you stop officiating if we went to NFHS???

Going on my 33rd year, I do wonder when I will retire from officiating.  I don't yet know for sure, but can absolutely say that a move to NF rules away from NCAA would do it.

[TexDoc]

would you stop officiating if we went to NFHS???

Yep.

[Frank in FL]

We have quite a few guys who officiate HS games using FED rules and NCAA game using thier rules.  They don't seem to have a problem.  Also during the year we officiate a lot of games using FED, NCAA, NFL and variations of all of them (semi pro, public service league, etc).  We don't seem to have a problem there either.  I'm not saying Texas should change, just that I don't think it would be as much of a problem as you think.

[Welpe]

There are quite a few significant differences between NCAA and NFHS rules.  Many having to do with penalty enforcement but one of the significant ones is blocking below the waist.  The contrast will not be as big this year compared to previous years but there will still be some differences.

I cut my teeth officiating under NFHS rules so for me personally, it would not be much of a hardship.  I think NFHS rules are simpler but the amount of retraining needed would obviously lead to some growing pains for the several years.  It wouldnt cause me to quit officiating...I'd probably end up volunteering to teach some of the classes that covered the rule differences.  That said, now that I've learned the NCAA rules, I find that I prefer them to Fed.

[Joe Stack]

I think we would lose significant numbers of officials. How much change between payment, UIL/TASO, uniforms, now rules, not to mention gas prices, can some people take? I hear about people leaving other sports in droves, and we are not retaining the same numbers of new guys as we have in the past.

[Sumstine]

NCAA is a much safer rule book (with the exception of the low block by B linemen sideline to sideline and A qualified linemen and backs). There are rules in the NFHS book that make the game less fan friendly. IE: All but one enforcement, OPI loss of yardage and down, face guarding, forward fumble for a first down, QB can't throw the ball away and allowing plays to start with team A fouls at the snap. The NCAA rule book still has some holes but it is far superior from a safety and fan entertainment standpoint. I would love to see the NFHS and NCAA join forces and create a uniform rule book (primarily NCAA) and training program.

[Welpe]

allowing plays to start with team A fouls at the snap.

Matt, I'm not following what you mean here.  Could you expand please?

[Sumstine]

The NCAA rule change for shifts and being set is a very good change. See attached.

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