UIL Exceptions

[TXMike]

For all the Texas HS officials using their limited availability of brain cells trying to get their hands around the 10 second runoff, fahgeddaboutit!  Ain't gonna use in Texas HS (this year).

Also, as expected, DQ'd players will not have to leave the team area.

[El Macman]

For all the Texas HS officials using their limited availability of brain cells trying to get their hands around the 10 second runoff, fahgeddaboutit!  Ain't gonna use in Texas HS (this year).

Also, as expected, DQ'd players will not have to leave the team area.

The UIL are the biggest bunch of lilly-livered wooses ever.

[ETXZebra]

I didn't expect either to used.  The DQ'ed player could not be placed on the bus unsupervised, especially at the subvarsity level.  Also look for the 40 second clock in 2012, although on a recommended status.  Some schools don't have a play clock, and others don't have the double reset capabilities at this time.  If they have the capability you can use it.  With all the budget cuts it will be hard to require schools to spend the money now, but could be done over time.

[Welpe]

Any good reason for not using the 10 second runoff exception? I get the DQ'd player not leaving the team area.  I'd hope we could keep the differences to a minimum.

[El Macman]

Any good reason for not using the 10 second runoff exception? I get the DQ'd player not leaving the team area.  I'd hope we could keep the differences to a minimum.

In reality, no real reason not to be using NCAA rules, except replay. We've had the 40 second clock for three full seasons. That's plenty of time for schools to have saved and budgeted for the 40-second clocks. In many (probably a majority) of cases, that would probably only have meant a new controller - the displays would work with any controller. No reason at all not to use the 10-second subtraction. No reason not to send DQd player to the dressing room or bus. Yep, they'll have to send an adult with them to supervise. They won't like that a bit. So, maybe they teach their players not to do stuff that will get them DQd. The UIL can dream up all kinds of 'excuses' for not using certain NCAA rules, but, with the exception of replay, there is no real reason not to be using all NCAA rules. Why don't they? Because they are no longer a part of the NCAA rule-making process. They used to be - back in the Bailey Marshall-Bill Farney days. But the current administration has been dis-invited to participate for several years now, and that doesn't sit well with the UIL administration. So, for spite, if nothing else, they'll choose to ignore certain new rules they see as creating even the faintest shadow of hardship on a team. Little Johnny's feelings are gonna get hurt if he causes his team a 10-second subtraction? Whaa, whaa, whaa... Teach them to have more discipline and/or don't try to cheat and it won't be an issue. 

[Welpe]

I see already where this could go..."Since there are so many UIL exceptions, let's just switch to NFHS rules..."

[ETXZebra]

This is nothing new.  We've had UIL exceptions for many years.








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[Etref]

I didn't expect either to used.  The DQ'ed player could not be placed on the bus unsupervised, especially at the subvarsity level.  Also look for the 40 second clock in 2012, although on a recommended status.  Some schools don't have a play clock, and others don't have the double reset capabilities at this time.  If they have the capability you can use it.  With all the budget cuts it will be hard to require schools to spend the money now, but could be done over time.

I see no way to have a 40 second clock with a 5 man crew and 7 year old ballboys...........................

[TexDoc]

"That's plenty of time for schools to have saved and budgeted for the 40-second clocks."

Those responsible for budgets at ISD's have no clue this might have been coming.  The 40 second clock needs to be all or none, and that will take a few years.  Don't look for the 40 sec clock any time within the next couple of years at the high school level.

[El Macman]

I see no way to have a 40 second clock with a 5 man crew and 7 year old ballboys...........................

Rick, I mean no disrespect - and I really, really mean that - but the "no way" and "can't do" attitude is why we have to put up with 7 year old ball persons. When TASO gets the schools & coaches out of the officiating assignment process, then they'll have the additional leverage to insist on more competent sideline assistants, clock operators, etc. In reality, it would take very little effort to make those things happen. Yes, play clock opoerators for the 40/25 clokc have to be trained and more "with it" than just a 25-second clock guy. But, just because it requires a little more effort, and maybe some real pay for a PCO, doesn't mean we throw up our hands and say it can't be done. It just takes "want to."

   

[Etref]

Let me put it another way.


I am highly skeptical.


That is my new phrase.........................................I used to just say  Bull Sh@#.   

[TexDoc]

Rick, I mean no disrespect - and I really, really mean that - but the "no way" and "can't do" attitude is why we have to put up with 7 year old ball persons. When TASO gets the schools & coaches out of the officiating assignment process, then they'll have the additional leverage to insist on more competent sideline assistants, clock operators, etc. In reality, it would take very little effort to make those things happen. Yes, play clock opoerators for the 40/25 clokc have to be trained and more "with it" than just a 25-second clock guy. But, just because it requires a little more effort, and maybe some real pay for a PCO, doesn't mean we throw up our hands and say it can't be done. It just takes "want to."

   

Of course it can be done.  With enough money!  This is akin to another unfunded mandate on education.  Although I really like the 40 second clock, I would like to see our schools spend money on classrooms right now.  The 40 sec clocks can come later.

[Coby]

Rick, I mean no disrespect - and I really, really mean that - but the "no way" and "can't do" attitude is why we have to put up with 7 year old ball persons. When TASO gets the schools & coaches out of the officiating assignment process, then they'll have the additional leverage to insist on more competent sideline assistants, clock operators, etc. In reality, it would take very little effort to make those things happen. Yes, play clock opoerators for the 40/25 clokc have to be trained and more "with it" than just a 25-second clock guy. But, just because it requires a little more effort, and maybe some real pay for a PCO, doesn't mean we throw up our hands and say it can't be done. It just takes "want to."

As a former 7 year old ball person I take offense to that statement

On a more serious note.  I have had some kick BUTT 6-10 year old ball boys.  I have had some that chase grass hoppers.  I have had some good 9th grade ball boys.  I have had some 9th graders that stare at cheerleaders the whole game.  I have had some good jr hi coaches that have been ball boys.  I have had some where I wished for a 6 year old chasing grass hoppers.

I am also pretty sure that getting rid of the picks and quality ball boys are 98% mutually exclusive.

[TXMike]

Doing it half-arsed is not a good idea IMHO.  Either we implement it for all schools or we do it for none.  And like Doc says, now ain't the time to be doing anything that gives the anti-sports folks something to harp about when it comes to spending, no matter how "small" the spending might be.  

[El Macman]

Well, you're all livin' in outer space or somewhere if you think that we'll all wake up some day, and nearly overnight, budget crises and econmic issues have vanished. Like the guy that tells his wife for 40 years, "Just as soon as things turn around a little, we'll get a new house." Waiting for that day, it will never come. You have to make that day. TASO has to make this day. No, TASO doesn't want to be obnoxious about things, but they must be assertive and persistent. If they get to sit down with the UIL again, they need to propose these changes, if not all at once, perhaps with a timetable for each item, but with hard and fast dates, that the UIL agrees to IN WRITING.

Waiting for better economic times will cause, at best, the status quo to persist. Press ahead, TASO - press ahead!

[Etref]

Do not get me wrong, I like the 40 second clock. But with a crew of 5 (or 4 or even three for subvarsity) how the heck can you effectively get the ball in play consistently on a 40 second clock and not neglect other dead ball duties. Those extra two deep wings make the process work very well, without them I think it may not work as well.


The 7 year old ball boy (or old ex coach, or cheeerleaders boy friend or supts next door neighbor) is the key. Some are good, some very good but many are pathetic.


Maybe we do need to go to the 40 sec clock, hell it may force some coaches to get better ball boys.

[TXMike]

Fellas, the potential issues with the 40 sec clock have not so much to do with 7 year old ball boys as they do with 70 year old officials and 70 pound overweight officials.  I forsee lots of R's being forced to reset clocks to 25 and giving the ready because the crew will not get the ball in and set in 15 seconds.  Not saying don't go to it, just saying we does it for all or we does it for none.

[ornery1]

Fellas, the potential issues with the 40 sec clock have not so much to do with 7 year old ball boys as they do with 70 year old officials and 70 pound overweight officials.  I forsee lots of R's being forced to reset clocks to 25 and giving the ready because the crew will not get the ball in and set in 15 seconds.  Not saying don't go to it, just saying we does it for all or we does it for none.

Its a miracle, I agree with this Dumba**. Getting rid of the fat BUTTS and the old bast*** (Arbitrator) will do the game a lot of good!!!!

[504coach]

Its a miracle, I agree with this Dumba**. Getting rid of the fat BUTTS and the old bast*** (Arbitrator) will do the game a lot of good!!!!

It is a double miracle I agree with this Dumba**.  With the exception of getting rid of Arbitrator, and calling TXMIKE a dumba**.  Unfortunately it will take an official having a heart attack on the field and passing away for TASO state to implement some sort of physical conditioning resolution/policy besides the weak one they currently have in place.  However, I still trust TASO to run officiating a lot more then the organization that ornery champions.  Good morning Ornery I have missed you 

[Welpe]

Unfortunately it will take an official having a heart attack on the field and passing away for TASO state to implement some sort of physical conditioning resolution/policy besides the weak one they currently have in place. 

That's already happened. Let's be honest here, if physical fitness standards are implemented for high school football officiating, we're not going to have enough officials (we can barely cover subvarsity as it is with three officials in most districts).

[TXMike]

I disagree Welpe.  A physical screening process can be implemented that helps ensure guys (overweight or not) who are at cardiac risk know about that.  I don't advocate a system that makes guys run a mile in a set time, or do a shuttle run in a set time.  Just some sort of system that helps guys know what their risks are before they take them. 

[Arbitrator]

 

Even though I am considered to be one of the "old farts," (and fiercely proud of it), I would welcome and wholeheartedly support some kind of mandatory TASO mechanism requiring annual physicals of all officials, paid for individually by each official to be timely submitted with their annual TASO renewal application. I really don't feel that that is too much for TASO to require of its officials.  

[Welpe]

I disagree Welpe.  A physical screening process can be implemented that helps ensure guys (overweight or not) who are at cardiac risk know about that.  I don't advocate a system that makes guys run a mile in a set time, or do a shuttle run in a set time.  Just some sort of system that helps guys know what their risks are before they take them. 

Assessing cardiac risk (physical screening) and getting rid of fat officials (physical standards) are two very different things. That is what I (and most) mean by talkinga bout implementing physical fitness standards.

[fencewire]

You could set a time say for a mile, that a reasonably fit person could WALK and come in under, say 18 minutes....  I would almost guarantee that there will be folks that could not pass that test.

[Getting Fat]

I think it’s funny how topics meander…

This problem will eventually take care of itself.  College conferences and the NFL are looking more and more at only fit officials.  Those high school officials interested in moving up are already taking care of themselves in preparation for this requirement.  Much like everything else (rules, mechanics, uniforms…) there will be a trickle down emphasis on physical fitness.  Just give it a few years.