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TASO/UIL Proposal
« on: May 02, 2011, 11:51:42 AM »
This is the original proposal that was agreed upon between Castleberry and Timmons and then rejected by the TASO Board.

Proposed TASO – Football AGREEMENT with the UIL

1. After becoming an approved member of TASO, all TASO-Football members wishing to officiate UIL football games will then register their status as a TASO-Football official active member with the UIL.  The UIL will not charge any registration or membership fee.  However, the UIL may require payment for its costs associated with certain specific expense items relating to particular costs such as background check, etc.  The UIL will not charge any such fee without first notifying the TASO-Football board.  The UIL will give an explanation of charges if fees are assessed.

2. Social security numbers will not be required by the UIL as part of the registration process.

3. The UIL will not provide the list of the names of registered officials to any third party vendors or other outside parties unless legally required to do so.

4. TASO-Football and the UIL will work in conjunction with each other to develop an official “Football Chapter Application” to be filled out by chapters whose members wish to officiate UIL-sanctioned contests.  Such application will not require payment of any costs or fees and the privacy issues relating to individual member registration will also apply to the Chapter Application.  The UIL agrees to accept all currently recognized TASO-Football chapters.

5. The UIL will require that any official who works a UIL-sanctioned football game must be an active member of an approved local TASO-football chapter and the TASO state organization.  The UIL will not seek to register non-TASO members as football officials.

6. TASO will operate as an independent trade association and all members of TASO-Football are not employees of TASO.  Further, TASO-Football members registered with the UIL will not be considered or treated as employees of the UIL.  All members of TASO-Football will accept assignments from a designated TASO-Football assigning authority as independent contractors.  As independent contractors, the UIL may not mandate a particular uniform or tool of trade not approved by TASO-Football, or otherwise seek to in any way treat TASO-Football members as employees or violate their status as independent contractors.  TASO-Football will change its uniform requirements to allow UIL commemorative caps to be worn during State Championship games (if provided) and will require them to be worn.

7. Neither the UIL nor TASO-Football will create or approve any new football chapters unless there is sufficient evidence that the current chapters in the area in question are not adequately covering the school districts with which they have agreements.  If it is determined that a new chapter is needed, that chapter must apply and be approved by both TASO-football and the UIL.

8. The UIL agrees that it will not in the future seek to affiliate a non-TASO football chapter with the UIL as long as TASO-Football complies with the agreement finalized between TASO-Football and the UIL.  If the UIL believes that TASO-Football is in breach of the final agreement, the UIL will be required to give specific written notice of any alleged breach and will provide TASO-Football with an adequate opportunity to cure.  Any disagreements regarding such breach or cure will be submitted to a neutral arbitrator for resolution.

9. TASO-Football along with the UIL and its member schools agree to fully follow the compensation schedule provided for in Section 1204 of the UIL Constitution.

10. The UIL will continue to use NCAA football rules, including UIL exceptions, for all games.

11. The UIL Legislative Counsel and its member schools have the sole authority to set the contest rules for the games in which they participate.

12. The TASO-Football board of directors will be restructured so that every approved chapter will have a voting representative on the TASO-Football board.  The UIL Director of Officials will continue to be an Ex-Officio (non-voting) member of the TASO-Football Board of Directors and there will be up to three (3) TASO-Football members on the UIL football board.  Those non-voting members will be the TASO-Football president and two other TASO-Football members appointed by the UIL Director of Officials.

13. TASO-Football will continue to hold its individual members and chapters accountable for their actions.  When a UIL member school files a complaint and it is determined a violation has occurred, TASO-Football will inform the UIL of the disciplinary action imposed on the individual(s) and/or chapter(s) with the understanding that the specifics of the discipline will be held in confidence and no UIL member school will know the details of any action that was taken.  The UIL will not be notified when a member or chapter is disciplined for a violation not concerning the UIL or one of its members.  However, in such instances, TASO-Football may notify the UIL if needed.  TASO-Football may also notify the UIL of disciplinary actions taken against TASO-Football member(s) and chapter(s) for incidents involving UIL member schools when no official complaint was filed.  The Disciplinary process and procedures implemented by TASO-Football will be the only disciplinary process that TASO-Football members will be required to submit to.  However, the UIL may revoke the UIL registration of a TASO-Football member for a violation of registration or a provision of Section 1204.  Furthermore, when a UIL member school files a complaint with the UIL, such complaint shall also be sent to the TASO office.  In addition, the UIL will support any disciplinary action taken by TASO-Football against a member or chapter as long as the member or chapter was given due process and appeal, pursuant to the TASO By-Laws.

14. TASO-Football members will file UIL incident reports in a timely manner on the UIL website.  A copy of the incident report will automatically go to the proper UIL and TASO-Football designees.

15. TASO-Football may purchase rulebooks from the UIL at the UIL’s cost plus a nominal fee for processing, shipping and handling.  TASO-Football will notify the UIL as to the number of rulebooks it will need on or before March 15 and is responsible for accepting and paying for all rulebooks ordered.

16. TASO-Football will continue to be the sole provider of rules and mechanics training and testing materials for its members.  The UIL will have access to member test results in a pass/fail format.

17. To avoid any future litigation between the parties, both parties agree that a process for dispute resolution will be created that provides for a process to resolve any future disagreements or misunderstandings and that will provide for an arbitration process to resolve any future problems.

18. This document contains the basic terms of the agreement between the UIL and TASO-Football.   These terms will be incorporated into a formal written agreement that will be signed and approved by TASO-Football board and the UIL Executive Director.  The formal agreement will be prepared and implemented in such a way that it will be binding and enforceable.  Both TASO-Football and the UIL will take whatever action is required to amend their bylaws or Constitution and Contest Rules (if so required) to accommodate the effectuation of this agreement.  This agreement will not be considered final until such formal agreement has been executed by both TASO and the UIL.

19. Upon final execution of the formal agreement – the parties will file a joint stipulated agreement with the court to advise the court that by agreement of the parties, TASO-Football officials will no longer be subject to the injunction currently in place.
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Re: TASO/UIL Prposal
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 12:32:16 PM »
I think a more accurate statement would be that parts of it were requested to be modified by the TASO Football Board.  It should also be pointed out the document had not been approved by TASO, TASO Football Div, the UIL, the Legislative Council, or the attorneys (or anyone else who might have had a legitimate claim to a "right of review".)  It was a great starting document that showed some significant coordination between 2 individuals doing what they thought was best for their respective organizations.  But it was never likely going to be a final agreement. 

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Re: TASO/UIL Prposal
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 12:49:35 PM »
I think a more accurate statement would be that parts of it were requested to be modified by the TASO Football Board.  It should also be pointed out the document had not been approved by TASO, TASO Football Div, the UIL, the Legislative Council, or the attorneys (or anyone else who might have had a legitimate claim to a "right of review".)  It was a great starting document that showed some significant coordination between 2 individuals doing what they thought was best for their respective organizations.  But it was never likely going to be a final agreement. 

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Well put! But my real concerns are about how cozy Cooper and the  :!# Dancing Monkey are; especially if they're busy bartering some kind of independent "agreement" between the two of them that they think they can go back and "sell" to their respective organizations. My question is did TASO State ever give its express permission to Cooper to go out and effect some kind of TASO agreement with the Manor Road Crowd and, if so, exactly how much power did TASO actually extend to Cooper in trying to achieve this? In my heart, I truly can't believe that that ever happened. Is anyone out there in the "know" about this?   z^

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Re: TASO/UIL Prposal
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2011, 12:53:27 PM »
I also find it interesting that the first post ever by txnewref was this document???  Can anyone else confirm that this is the document?  No offense txnewref but I don't trust anyone.

I am glad TASO turned down this document/registration process.

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 12:59:51 PM »
Donald Trump has his team of crack investigators enroute to find out if it is authentic.    ;D

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Re: TASO/UIL Proposal
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2011, 01:02:31 PM »
Here is the final proposal.

Proposed TASO – Football AGREEMENT with the UIL

1. After becoming an approved member of TASO, all TASO-Football members wishing to officiate UIL football games will then register their status as a TASO-Football active member with the UIL. The UIL will not charge any registration or membership fee. However, the UIL may require payment for its costs associated with certain specific expense items relating to particular costs such as background checks, etc. The UIL will not charge any such fee without first notifying the TASO-Football board. The UIL will give an itemized explanation of charges if fees are assessed.

2. Social security numbers will not be required by the UIL as part of the registration process.

3. The UIL will not provide the list of the names of registered officials to any third party vendors or other outside parties unless legally required to do so.

4. TASO-Football and the UIL will work in conjunction with each other to develop an official “Football Chapter Application Information Form” to be filled out by chapters whose members wish to officiate UIL-sanctioned contests. Such application information form will not require payment of any costs or fees and the privacy issues relating to individual member registration will also apply to the Chapter Application Information Form. The UIL agrees to accept all currently recognized TASO-Football chapters.

5. The UIL will require that any official who works a UIL-sanctioned football game must be an active member of an approved local TASO-football chapter and the TASO state organization. The UIL will not seek to register non-TASO members as football officials.

6. TASO will operate as an independent trade association and all members of TASO-Football are not employees of TASO. Further, TASO-Football members registered with the UIL will not be considered or treated as employees of the UIL. All members of TASO-Football will accept assignments from a designated TASO-Football assigning authority as independent contractors. As independent contractors, the UIL may not mandate a particular uniform or tool of trade not approved by TASO-Football, or otherwise seek to in any way treat TASO-Football members as employees or violate their status as independent contractors. TASO-Football will change its uniform requirements to allow UIL commemorative caps to be worn during State Championship games (if provided) and will require them to be worn.

7. Neither the UIL nor TASO-Football will create or approve any new football chapters unless there is sufficient evidence that the current chapters in the area in question are not adequately covering the school districts with which they have agreements. If it is determined that a new chapter is needed, that chapter must apply and be approved by both TASO-football and the UIL. TASO-Football and the UIL will work in conjunction to create an application for a new chapter.

8. The UIL agrees that it will not in the future seek to affiliate a non-TASO football chapter with the UIL as long as TASO-Football complies with the agreement finalized between TASO-Football and the UIL. If the UIL either party believes that TASO-Football the other party is in breach of the final agreement, the UIL such party will be required to give specific written notice of any alleged breach and will provide TASO-Football the alleged breaching party with an adequate opportunity to cure. Any disagreements regarding such breach or cure will be submitted to a neutral arbitrator for resolution.


9. TASO-Football along with the UIL and its member schools agree to fully follow the compensation schedule provided for in Section 1204 of the UIL Constitution.

10. The UIL will continue to use NCAA football rules, including UIL exceptions, for all games.

11. The UIL Legislative Counsel and its member schools have the sole authority to set the contest rules for the games in which they participate.

12. The TASO-Football board of directors will be restructured so that every approved chapter will have a voting representative on the TASO-Football board. The UIL Director of Officials will be an Ex-Officio (non-voting) member of the TASO-Football Board of Directors and there will be up to three (3) TASO-Football members on the UIL football board. Those non-voting members will be the TASO-Football president and two other TASO-Football members appointed by the UIL Director of Officials.

13. TASO-Football will continue to hold its individual members and chapters accountable for their actions. When a UIL member school files a complaint and it is determined a violation has occurred, TASO-Football will inform the UIL of the disciplinary action imposed on the individual(s) and/or chapter(s) with the understanding that the specifics of the discipline will be held in confidence and no UIL member school will know the details of any action that was taken. The UIL will not be notified when a member or chapter is disciplined for a violation not concerning the UIL or one of its members. However, in such instances, TASO-Football may notify the UIL if needed. TASO-Football may also notify the UIL of disciplinary actions taken against TASO-Football member(s) and chapter(s) for incidents involving UIL member schools when no official complaint was filed. The Disciplinary process and procedures implemented by TASO-Football will be the only disciplinary process that TASO-Football members will be required to submit to. However, the UIL may revoke the UIL registration of a TASO-Football member for a violation of registration or a provision of Section 1204. Furthermore, when a UIL member school files a complaint with the UIL, such complaint shall also be sent to the TASO office. In addition, the UIL will support any disciplinary action taken by TASO-Football against a member or chapter as long as the member or chapter was given due process and appeal pursuant to the TASO-Football By-Laws Operating Procedures.

14. TASO-Football members will file UIL incident reports in a timely manner on the UIL website. A copy of the incident report will automatically go to the proper UIL and TASO-Football designees.

15. TASO-Football may purchase rulebooks from the UIL at the UIL’s cost plus a nominal fee for processing, shipping and handling. TASO-Football will notify the UIL as to the number of rulebooks it will need on or before March 15 and is responsible for accepting and paying for all rulebooks ordered.

16. TASO-Football will continue to be the sole provider of rules and mechanics training and testing materials for its members. The UIL will have access to member test results in a pass/fail format.

17. To avoid any future litigation between the parties, both parties agree that a process for dispute resolution will be created that provides for a process to resolve any future disagreements or misunderstandings and that will provide for an arbitration process to resolve any future problems.


18. This document contains the basic terms of the agreement between the UIL and TASO-Football. These terms will be incorporated into a formal written agreement that will be signed and approved by TASO-Football board and the UIL Executive Director. The formal agreement will be prepared and implemented in such a way that it will be binding and enforceable. Both TASO-Football and the UIL will take whatever action is required to amend their bylaws or Constitution and Contest Rules (if so required) to accommodate the effectuation of this agreement. This agreement will not be considered final until such formal agreement has been executed by both TASO and the UIL.

19. Upon final execution of the formal agreement – the parties will file a joint stipulated agreement with the court to advise the court that by agreement of the parties, TASO-Football officials will no longer be subject to the injunction currently in place.

20. Where in conflict, the provisions of this agreement shall supersede any conflicting language in Section 1204 or any UIL Constitutional Provision or Rule.
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Re: TASO/UIL Prposal
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 01:04:55 PM »
Any outcome that doesn't remove the schools/coaches from the assignment process is a missed opportunity and a failure. Testing for competency, and "accountability" are issues that can be addressed, and the UIL can have their fee schedule. But, you gotta get schools/coaches out of the assignment process. Permanent improvement will not happen until that is accomplished.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 01:05:29 PM »
Donald Trump has his team of crack investigators enroute to find out if it is authentic.    ;D

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So long as they strictly stay away from looking for things like "birth certificates!"   z^

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Re: TASO/UIL Prposal
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2011, 01:14:46 PM »
I also find it interesting that the first post ever by txnewref was this document???  Can anyone else confirm that this is the document?  No offense txnewref but I don't trust anyone.

I am glad TASO turned down this document/registration process.

No offense taken.  I found them online at http://www.sfachapterfootball.com/notices.html

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Re: TASO/UIL Prposal
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2011, 01:30:48 PM »
Any outcome that doesn't remove the schools/coaches from the assignment process is a missed opportunity and a failure. Testing for competency, and "accountability" are issues that can be addressed, and the UIL can have their fee schedule. But, you gotta get schools/coaches out of the assignment process. Permanent improvement will not happen until that is accomplished.


This is a fight for survival as an independent association not an opportunity to "air dirty laundry".  You don't "gotta get" coaches out of the assignment process.  If local boards feel that is the best way to meet the needs of their members and schools by having picks or not having picks for that matter, then who are you or me or UIL to say any different?

I am not saying I disagree with you just that this is not the time or the place to have the conversation.

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2011, 01:41:06 PM »
Cooper is a member of our chapter and that document has been on the site for a couple of months now. Our chapter website may not be the best, but it is now full of lots of good information for officials.

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2011, 01:43:15 PM »
Any outcome that doesn't remove the schools/coaches from the assignment process is a missed opportunity and a failure. Testing for competency, and "accountability" are issues that can be addressed, and the UIL can have their fee schedule. But, you gotta get schools/coaches out of the assignment process. Permanent improvement will not happen until that is accomplished.

It appears someone didn’t get the games they wanted at the picks!

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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2011, 01:45:47 PM »
Txnew: You really MUST be a newbie.   You are way off track re Macman.  Suggestion...hold your fire until you really know who your target is.

And for what its worth, I get some of the best games in my Chapter and I also would like to see coaches out of the equation.

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2011, 02:07:51 PM »
Txnew: You really MUST be a newbie.   You are way off track re Macman.  Suggestion...hold your fire until you really know who your target is.

And for what its worth, I get some of the best games in my Chapter and I also would like to see coaches out of the equation.

If it’s such a failure why do chapters keep doing it?  How about a suggestion on how to fix it?

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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 02:15:45 PM »
Same reason why so many folks on welfare never get off of it. It is so ingrained that many Chapters and coaches automatically balk at changing.  How many years have you been doing this and in how many chapters?  About the only folks who like the current system are those who know they are getting games thanks to certain coaches that they would not get if let up to the Chapter.  We need to be independent of the coaches and of the UIL.

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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2011, 02:33:45 PM »
Actually I’ve been calling for 24 years in 4 chapters.  I’ve seen games assigned and picked.  The good assigned games were given to board members and their ole buddies.  And lots of times they were in over their head.  After all these years I’m still looking for a method that is fair to everyone.

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Re: TASO/UIL Prposal
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2011, 02:59:57 PM »
Back to the topic at hand



How is this proposal so bad? It needs some clean up of language and some items but I think it a good starting document. Although it is not unlike similar proposed by TASO to UIL but DR. B said no.


We are going to have to work with UIL like it or not. I just do not want them completely running the show as they do not have our interest at heart.

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2011, 04:33:35 PM »
If it’s such a failure why do chapters keep doing it?  How about a suggestion on how to fix it?

Say, you're not from around here, are ya?
It is UIL policy - not a TASO or Chapter choice. And the UIL are the contestants. For the contestants to pick their officials is akin to a citizen picking the police officer that will be on duty at a given time. And a defendant picking his judge and jury. I trust you can see the confict of interest. That's how it has ALWAYS been in the UIL. But, for about four decades, things were copacetic, because the UIL leaders knew they needed, and therefore supported, SFOA/SOA/TASO, and worked hand-ih-hand together with SFOA/SOA/TASO. Due to that support, SFOA/SOA/TASO tolerated the UIL assignment system. But, now that the UIL support has vanished, it is time to break the chain. That will take at least some legal action, if not legislative. And we know that some form of both are already taking place. TASO leaders must take this opportunity to remove coaches and schools from the assignment process (more likely a legislative action). Yes, we'll still have to deal with the in-house cronyism issues, But, A) it isn't like this is a phenomenon that would only exist after the schools/coaches are out - it already exists, B) it isn't like that can't be addressed by having a TASO-wide assignment policy that addresses the number of assignments per week and per school, regular season and post-season, for all officials, and each chapter having an assignmnent committee that oversees the assignment secretary.

There's more, like "accountability," but I'll leave that to another time.

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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2011, 06:09:26 PM »
Yes I am from around here and was member when we were SOA.  I do not doubt what you say, but I’m not familiar with a UIL policy that says TASO chapters have to have coaches pick session.  Have always thought this was a chapter decision but that officials must be agreed upon by both schools.  Are we talking about the regular season?  Can you cite the policy where there has to be a pick session for officials and point me in the right direction?  Again I’m not saying we should be under the UIL and as you said, they don’t have our best interest at heart.

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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2011, 06:15:22 PM »
I may be wrong, but I think we are talking (and confusing) about 2 very different things:

-- a draft/coaches selection assignment process vs. a secretary or board based assignment process; and
-- the coaches ability to scratch officials or the ultimate ability to approve the ones that work.

The former is based on what chapters and their local schools do/want. The latter is based on UIL policy.

At the very least, be clear about whether you are talking about a local assignment process or the UIL policy.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2011, 07:22:13 PM »
Coaches selections is a chapter by chapter policy, not a TASO or UIL policy or mandate.  At one time I compiled a list of how each chapter in the state does their assignments, by assignment committee, etc, by coaches selections, or by computer generation.  I will have to see if I can find that.

Austin has the most unique system, although I believe it has changed a bit since I was in the that chapter.  It was all done by computer so there was no accusations of unfairness, although some officials complained about their ratings by the supervisor of officials.  Regardless of how the assignments are made, coaches always have the "right" to refuse an official.

As long as the coaches in your area are happy with what you're doing, have at it.  I say that although I'm not a fan of coaches selections either.

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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2011, 07:23:06 PM »
Why would the part of every Chapter having a Vote be crossed out..???? hEaDbAnG
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2011, 07:36:22 PM »
Why would the part of every Chapter having a Vote be crossed out..???? hEaDbAnG

As it is currently structured the "Districts"  try to have about the same amount of officials. If each chapter has a vote North Texas (nothing against them at all) with @80 officials would have the exact same vote as Houston with about 900 officials. A little disparity.

Current system may not be the best but not really that bad.


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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2011, 07:38:02 PM »
I noticed that too.  Also, after looking at the Chapter website, the phrase "The UIL agrees to accept all currently recognized TASO-Football chapters" is crossed out too.  But it's not reflected on the post.  I'm wondering about both.

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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2011, 07:38:41 PM »
Every Chapter having 1 vote is supremely unfair to those Chapters with several hundred members compared to those with less than a hundred.  As I understand it, the Districts were roughly configured such that tehre was close to the same number of officials represented in each District.