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[Etref]

We do need to find a way to coexist with UIL. They are not going away and it is "their" game. That being said this thread has turned into a POURING match and did not need to.

While we need UIL they need us also and there should be some type of partnership not a dictatorship from UIL. I have said many times that TASO is not perfect but they are getting better.

 UIL is a whiz at promoting their schools and playoffs.   Let them tend to that
TASO is great at training and promoting officials.         Let them tend to that

[Cooter]

We do need to find a way to coexist with UIL. They are not going away and it is "their" game. That being said this thread has turned into a POURING match and did not need to.

While we need UIL they need us also and there should be some type of partnership not a dictatorship from UIL. I have said many times that TASO is not perfect but they are getting better.

 UIL is a whiz at promoting their schools and playoffs.   Let them tend to that
TASO is great at training and promoting officials.         Let them tend to that

 

[TXMike]

Airborne!

[fencewire]

There are 3 groups in this struggle

1) you have hard core TASO diehards that will never work without the TASO banner
2) you have folks that think that UIL will do something "for them" or that have been "wronged" by TASO and can't wait for UIL to take over.
3) then you have the vast majority who don't fit in either category, and they just want to call football, they see that both entities have warts and there are negatives to each, but for the most part from the folks that I have talked with in this group there are those that follow this closely, mostly for the theater, folks that don't care at all, and the moderately interested folks, but in this group in the end, all they care about is calling football, when it is all done, however it ends, just tell them what they need to do to call football.

[Cooter]

There are 3 groups in this struggle

1) you have hard core TASO diehards that will never work without the TASO banner
2) you have folks that think that UIL will do something "for them" or that have been "wronged" by TASO and can't wait for UIL to take over.
3) then you have the vast majority who don't fit in either category, and they just want to call football, they see that both entities have warts and there are negatives to each, but for the most part from the folks that I have talked with in this group there are those that follow this closely, mostly for the theater, folks that don't care at all, and the moderately interested folks, but in this group in the end, all they care about is calling football, when it is all done, however it ends, just tell them what they need to do to call football.

Excellent post.  Thanks

[ETXZebra]

I agree 100%, and I fall into the vast majority catagory.

[Welpe]

It looked like it was a plan of a dozen or so guys at the meeting to raze him.  I’m sure you are really proud.

I have no idea where you got this impression. Nobody razed him at the meeting (he actually left in one piece and was not burnt to the ground) unless you consider asking him challenging questions or challenging in a respectful manner some of what he said to be a "razing".

I went to the meeting with no pre-conceived notions about Cooper. I have no doubt that he wants the best for TASO and from his resume, he is no doubt a great official. I do not agree with his position on the UIL-TASO situation and I left the meeting on Monday feeling like we had been lectured to.  I am clearly not the only attendee that feels that way either.

As a relatively new resident to the state, I am no TASO die-hard but I have come to the conclusion that I do not like the direction the UIL has been trying to go with officiating.  I think a lot of it has to do with who is in charge of the UIL Officiating Department. I was at the Campbell Center in October of 2009 for Timmons' speech and it was hard not to detect the hatred he had for TASO in his voice.  Despite what Cooper has said about Tony regretting what he said that night, I am not convinced that Tony still doesn't believe most of it.

[fencewire]

I need to add that in the vast majority category the hope is that TASO will prevail but if they don't the world will not cease to revolve..

[ETXZebra]

Very true.

[Etref]

There are 3 groups in this struggle

1) you have hard core TASO diehards that will never work without the TASO banner
2) you have folks that think that UIL will do something "for them" or that have been "wronged" by TASO and can't wait for UIL to take over.
3) then you have the vast majority who don't fit in either category, and they just want to call football, they see that both entities have warts and there are negatives to each, but for the most part from the folks that I have talked with in this group there are those that follow this closely, mostly for the theater, folks that don't care at all, and the moderately interested folks, but in this group in the end, all they care about is calling football, when it is all done, however it ends, just tell them what they need to do to call football.

There is a fourth group


Those of us who have been screwed by UIL in the past and do not trust them.

[Arbitrator]

I have no idea where you got this impression. Nobody razed him at the meeting (he actually left in one piece and was not burnt to the ground) unless you consider asking him challenging questions or challenging in a respectful manner some of what he said to be a "razing".

I went to the meeting with no pre-conceived notions about Cooper. I have no doubt that he wants the best for TASO and from his resume, he is no doubt a great official. I do not agree with his position on the UIL-TASO situation and I left the meeting on Monday feeling like we had been lectured to.  I am clearly not the only attendee that feels that way either.

As a relatively new resident to the state, I am no TASO die-hard but I have come to the conclusion that I do not like the direction the UIL has been trying to go with officiating.  I think a lot of it has to do with who is in charge of the UIL Officiating Department. I was at the Campbell Center in October of 2009 for Timmons' speech and it was hard not to detect the hatred he had for TASO in his voice.  Despite what Cooper has said about Tony regretting what he said that night, I am not convinced that Tony still doesn't believe most of it.

  

Well said! But if the   Good UIL Dr. will take some time and go back to the not-too-distant past and give due observation to the way that his predecessors, Dr. Farney and Dr. Marshall, worked hand-in-hand with TASO, encouraged and opened up communication between TASO, the UIL, and the THSCA. Mistrust set in when Dr. Farney retired and let the   Good UIL Dr. loose with his sordid agenda to try to usurp probably one of the best officiating organizations known, all in the name of exercising his control over TASO by helping to insure that the schools of Texas could join the other states in only offering minimum fees to Texas officials. To bolster that, he thought it was paramount for the UIL to take over high school officiating as well and what did he do? He brought in an individual to head up that effort for him, a   lackey who had absolutely no football officiating or administrative experience.  

The only way that I can envision a return to those "glory days" of Drs. Farney and Marshall  is for an immediate resignation of the   Lord of Manor Road and his   "Director of Officials" and anyone else that the   Good UIL Dr. has had a personal hand in bringing into Manor Road as one of his revered and hallowed    "Step-And-Fetch-Its!"

TASO has been far from perfect. I think we will all admit that. But it is so much better for the officials of Texas on it's worst day than the UIL is for them even on its best days!  

[Cooter]

  

Well said! But if the   Good UIL Dr. will take some time and go back to the not-too-distant past and give due observation to the way that his predecessors, Dr. Farney and Dr. Marshall, worked hand-in-hand with TASO, encouraged and opened up communication between TASO, the UIL, and the THSCA. Mistrust set in when Dr. Farney retired and let the   Good UIL Dr. loose with his sordid agenda to try to usurp probably one of the best officiating organizations known, all in the name of exercising his control over TASO by helping to insure that the schools of Texas could join the other states in only offering minimum fees to Texas officials. To bolster that, he thought it was paramount for the UIL to take over high school officiating as well and what did he do? He brought in an individual to head up that effort for him, a   lackey who had absolutely no football officiating or administrative experience.  

The only way that I can envision a return to those "glory days" of Drs. Farney and Marshall  is for an immediate resignation of the   Lord of Manor Road and his   "Director of Officials" and anyone else that the   Good UIL Dr. has had a personal hand in bringing into Manor Road as one of his revered and hallowed    "Step-And-Fetch-Its!"

TASO has been far from perfect. I think we will all admit that. But it is so much better for the officials of Texas on it's worst day than the UIL is for them even on its best days!  

Man I can't understand half of what you try to say.  But - I'll put you in Fencewire's cagegory #1 crowd.   

[Arbitrator]

 

Thanks, Coot! You're spot on!   

[foureyedzebra]

Man I can't understand half of what you try to say.  But - I'll put you in Fencewire's cagegory #1 crowd.