TASO Test

[TXMike]

I don't know this for sure but I suspect it has something to do with at least a  few things:
1 - The questions and answers themselves may only be vetted through a very small group of folks to keep the info "secure"
2 - (And this may be a bigger issue...) Moving the data/text from the test writer to the TASO website might involve data "translations" that cause "glitches", i.e even though key says flas, the test we are taking says it should be true

[fencewire]

ok... let's say there is no fault on a person, and it is all on the "computer".

How hard would it be to post a test, take the test with the "key" that the "computer" misinterpreted, and make any corrections before too many folks saw it.  If it is a "known" issue then you would think that would be SOP, since the "computer" makes such a habit of making "glitches".

I guess the computers also have issues with the text of the questions as well, as they change the text to refer to last years rules from time to time.

[TXMike]

I never said there was no human error involved.  I suspect there was.   I think steps are being taken that should resolve the issue from here forward (at least for this year).

[backjudge85]

Mike,

You are correct, steps are being taken as we speak to correct the "glitches" and make sure the tests and answers are accurate before being posted.  Hopefully, the new test posted tomorrow will reflect the change.  Editing was done yesterday and today.

[mishatx]

Well, the test I took today had the following question:

32      A player who commits a disqualifying foul is ejected from the contest even when the penalty is declined or there are offsetting fouls.

The "correct" answer is false, which seems to be in conflict with 10-1-1b and 10-1-5.

[fencewire]

 

[Etref]

Even back when Dotson was making up the test, we had some of the same problems and he was tghe assistant editor of the rule book.

The more things change the more they stay the same.


 

[rickref]

Well, the test I took today had the following question:

32      A player who commits a disqualifying foul is ejected from the contest even when the penalty is declined or there are offsetting fouls.

The "correct" answer is false, which seems to be in conflict with 10-1-1b and 10-1-5.

I keep getting these stories. I gave up taking them over and over because I had one test where at least 5 were wrong on the test. I kept thinking maybe it was just the one I took. Each test had issues.   

[Williams]

What is the last day to take the test?

[Getting Fat]

I believe the last day is this Sunday, the 21st.

[Joe Stack]

I missed the question that was contridictory. Missed the 50/50 guess. The other 3 I missed, two I believe the system changed my answer -- which I'm convinced happened last year. I distinctly remember uttering out loud, "that's true" and selecting true. When it came back, it listed as false. I may have made a mistake, but I don't trust the system.

[mishatx]

Joe, I've noticed in the past that sometimes if you use the mouse wheel to scroll down in the test, it will change a true to a false.

[Welpe]

I took my test a little late so I was in Group 4.

Here's the one that made me scratch my head:

"Dead-ball fouls by opposing teams do not offset. When the order of occurrence can be determined, the penalties are enforced in that order. "

Correct answer is marked as True. Since dead ball personal fouls or USC do off-set, isn't this statement technically false?

Also, on this test, the ejected question was marked as "True". Guess they fixed that.

[clearwall]

I missed the question that was contridictory. Missed the 50/50 guess. The other 3 I missed, two I believe the system changed my answer -- which I'm convinced happened last year. I distinctly remember uttering out loud, "that's true" and selecting true. When it came back, it listed as false. I may have made a mistake, but I don't trust the system.

I've experienced the exact same thing and I intentionally did NOT use the scroll wheel. TASO system just flat out sucks.

[Etref]

What is BS is TASO coming out now and giving additional time to take the test. If you did not care enough about taking the test by now we do not want you on the football field.


Stepping down off of my soap box.

[rickref]

Wonder if this is tied to the poor web site stuff? Is it tied to being able to get new members entered into the system? We talked about a contigency plan here so we could test new members with TASO test questions and put them on the field. My web guy is good and he is an umpire. Go figure.

[clearwall]

So I decided to take the one last chance to improve my score with these last days available to take the test. Below, i've included the questions I was marked off for that I can't figure out why they're wrong.

"It is legal to have one player start in motion and stop for less than one second, and a second player to start his motion as soon as the first player stops moving."

Apparently, this is True. As I read 7-1-4 which indicates that an illegal shift is, indeed illegal, and 2-22-1 which states a shift ends when all players have been motionless for 1-second, I answered FALSE.

"A new series of downs is awarded when a player of Team B first touches a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone. ( unless an excepted penalty causes the down to be replayed)"

5-1-1-e2 states that a new down is awarded when the ball crosses the NZ. Was I being overly technical here?

[JasonTX]

So I decided to take the one last chance to improve my score with these last days available to take the test. Below, i've included the questions I was marked off for that I can't figure out why they're wrong.

"It is legal to have one player start in motion and stop for less than one second, and a second player to start his motion as soon as the first player stops moving."

Apparently, this is True. As I read 7-1-4 which indicates that an illegal shift is, indeed illegal, and 2-22-1 which states a shift ends when all players have been motionless for 1-second, I answered FALSE.

"A new series of downs is awarded when a player of Team B first touches a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone. ( unless an excepted penalty causes the down to be replayed)"

5-1-1-e2 states that a new down is awarded when the ball crosses the NZ. Was I being overly technical here?

Regarding your "shift".  The question does not have a shift.  You have 1 player going in motion and stopping and then another player going in motion.  At no time were there 2 players moving at the same time.  If there are 2 players moving then they both must come to a complete stop for 1 second before the snap.  A player in motion just has to come to a stop before another player goes in motion, but they are not bound by a 1 second stop before another goes in motion.

[mishatx]

"A new series of downs is awarded when a player of Team B first touches a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone. ( unless an excepted penalty causes the down to be replayed)"

5-1-1-e2 states that a new down is awarded when the ball crosses the NZ. Was I being overly technical here?

Just awkwardly worded (and missing info?), I think.  The continuity of downs is broken when the kick crosses the NZ, but I think the question is asking more whether team A gets a new series if they recover a kick that team B has touched beyond the NZ, even if not beyond the LTG when recovered.