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Diablo

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"Aiding" the Runner II
« on: September 15, 2011, 08:07:14 AM »
I came across these recently.  What are y'all's calls?

1.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdUznxCNBvI

2.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qcrgi_NYIo

3.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTBfQKb5OHk

Last, the classic.  Note the teams, score and time remaining.
4.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8rBlhSxeg
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Offline Kalle

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Re: "Aiding" the Runner II
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 09:55:57 AM »
First one, although "pushing the pile", is so blatant that I think it should be called.

Second one is pretty clear cut, foul.

Third is a bit technical IMO, I would pass on it.

On the fourth, I have to confess, I didn't see anything resembling aiding the runner...
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Re: "Aiding" the Runner II
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 02:52:19 AM »
In #3 I would have flagged it. The D player couldn't bring down the ball carrier because the 'helper' was holding him up.
In the last one #5 had his hands on the QB and gave a little push, but I don't think it was nearly enough.
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Offline NorCalMike

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Re: "Aiding" the Runner II
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 02:58:42 AM »
I would have flagged both 2 and 3.
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Offline blindref757

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Re: "Aiding" the Runner II
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 08:23:00 AM »
I'm the first to admit that I don't know where to begin on how to call this.  I am iffy on 2, but 3 is pretty clear cut.  It wasn't called in either game...so that tells me that I shouldnt be calling this at all.  I wish the big timers would realize this as a dilemma for the avocation as it promotes setting aside other rules we don't agree with.  I guess that is how we get rid of bad rules...quit calling it altogether and eventually the coaches (rules committee) will take it out or make it a point of emphasis and demand that we call it.
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Offline HoustonUmp

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Re: "Aiding" the Runner II
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 09:24:15 AM »
The way our rules interpreter has told us to enforce this foul is that the only time it should ever come into play is when a teammate of the runner is in front of him and physically pulls him forward.  It should never be called if the teammates are just "adding momentum" from behind.
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Offline Curious

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Re: "Aiding" the Runner II
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2011, 09:34:05 AM »
1. No (can't even SEE the runner)
2 & 3. Hell Yes!  Question: does the replay official have the ability to overturn this base on the obvious?
4. No (didn't see anything)
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ret66482

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Re: "Aiding" the Runner II
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2011, 02:56:20 PM »
IMO #2 and #3 is definitely penalties.  #1 - good call for forward progress!
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Offline bossman72

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Re: "Aiding" the Runner II
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 10:02:27 PM »
The philosophy is that if the runner is PULLED by a teammate, we will flag this.  1 and 4 are legal, 2 and 3 would definitely be fouls.
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