Big East Admits Error in Syracuse Win

[TXMike]

The story includes video of the play

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2011/09/syracuse_vs_toledo_video_did_r.html

[BankerRef]

Oh boy!

[Atlanta Blue]

Wow.  They butchered that call twice!  And it's not that tough a call.

[Curious]

Unbelievable....

Do NCAA rules provide for any corrective remedy (other than suspending the official on that post and/or the replay guy)?

[zebra99]

Unbelievable....

Do NCAA rules provide for any corrective remedy (other than suspending the official on that post and/or the replay guy)?

The NCAA has no authority over conference officials.  That authority rests with the Big East in this case.

Tell me, what possible good would suspensions accomplish other that to give a pound of flesh to some so called "fans" and of course appease some media who think they should rule the world?  Don't you think the involved feel bad enough?  We could always hold a public whipping?  That would guarantee perfect officiating, don't you think?

Suspensions do absolutely nothing to advance officiating other than to have us constantly look over our shoulders worrying that our next call may lead to the embarrassment of a suspension.  Remember, this is an avocation  - not our fulltime job.  How would you like to be subject to being suspended from your avocation?   The pay is not equal to the responsibility and certainly not to the level that justifies suspensions.

If little Johnny answers the simple 2 plus 2 math test question incorrectly, do we suspend him from class the next week?

[Diablo]

Wow.  They butchered that call twice!  And it's not that tough a call.

Wasn't there a similar incident a couple/3 years ago in a college game?  Maybe a ACC game?

[mbyron]

I was wondering whether they might "fix" this the way they "fixed" the outcome of that game out in California...

[Curious]

The NCAA has no authority over conference officials.  That authority rests with the Big East in this case.

Tell me, what possible good would suspensions accomplish other that to give a pound of flesh to some so called "fans" and of course appease some media who think they should rule the world?  Don't you think the involved feel bad enough?  We could always hold a public whipping?  That would guarantee perfect officiating, don't you think?

Suspensions do absolutely nothing to advance officiating other than to have us constantly look over our shoulders worrying that our next call may lead to the embarrassment of a suspension.  Remember, this is an avocation  - not our fulltime job.  How would you like to be subject to being suspended from your avocation?   The pay is not equal to the responsibility and certainly not to the level that justifies suspensions.

If little Johnny answers the simple 2 plus 2 math test question incorrectly, do we suspend him from class the next week?

I'm NOT advocating for suspensions; just asking what remedies might be available for such an egregious error (shades of the 5th down debacles) - for which suspensions WERE forthcoming.  The eye-in-the-sky (every play being subject to replay) is already "looking over our shoulders".   

So, back to my original question: "What remedy for the TEAMS, if any, is available under NCAA rules (applied, as zebra99 points out, would have to come from the conferences?

[zebra99]

I was wondering whether they might "fix" this the way they "fixed" the outcome of that game out in California...

The outcome of the game in California was not "fixed" - that conference simply clarified the actual final score which was incorrectly reported by the press box and the media.  Never blindly beleive what you see reported in the media - their agenda is different from ours.

[mbyron]

The outcome of the game in California was not "fixed" - that conference simply clarified the actual final score which was incorrectly reported by the press box and the media.  Never blindly beleive what you see reported in the media - their agenda is different from ours.

Thank you. I think I understand what happened. I used scare quotes around "fixed" to indicate that I was using the word ironically.

Irony is difficult to convey adequately on the interwebs.

[Osric Pureheart]

Wasn't there a similar incident a couple/3 years ago in a college game?  Maybe a ACC game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0P9CsUibM

IIRC the explanation for this was that the B didn't see properly because he was dodging the ball and then waved it no good without looking for help.  Replay buzzed in and overturned it; again IIRC it wasn't specifically reviewable at the time and then became so as a result of this play.

[TXMike]

Wasn't there a similar incident a couple/3 years ago in a college game?  Maybe a ACC game?

http://www.news-record.com/content/2007/09/18/article/virginia_field_goal_clears_rule_book

[TXMike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0P9CsUibM

IIRC the explanation for this was that the B didn't see properly because he was dodging the ball and then waved it no good without looking for help.  Replay buzzed in and overturned it; again IIRC it wasn't specifically reviewable at the time and then became so as a result of this play.

>>And the IR official was.....?

[Curious]

http://www.news-record.com/content/2007/09/18/article/virginia_field_goal_clears_rule_book

Looks like adequate precedent to me!

[Atlanta Blue]

>>And the IR official was.....?

Well, he wasn't listed in the official game report, so I can't find it.

Who was it?

[mbyron]

Well, he wasn't listed in the official game report, so I can't find it.

Who was it?

I think it was bigjohn.

[RickKY]

I was watching this on TV when this play occured.  I remember thinking when they announced the review, that there is no way an official got this call wrong.  Afterall, the ball was only half way up the post, so it had to be in or out, and either is easy to determine.   All I can say is officials need to concentrate on every play.

[zebra99]

Irony is difficult to convey adequately on the interwebs.

agree 

[TXMike]

Oh my, it gets worse..now Toledo wants the game result overturned

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/toledo-complains-about-extra-point-wrongly-awarded-to-syracuse-in-its-ot-win-over-rockets/2011/09/26/gIQAbZ7wyK_story.html

[NoVaBJ]

Tell me, what possible good would suspensions accomplish other that to give a pound of flesh to some so called "fans" and of course appease some media who think they should rule the world?  Don't you think the involved feel bad enough?  We could always hold a public whipping?  That would guarantee perfect officiating, don't you think?

Suspensions do absolutely nothing to advance officiating other than to have us constantly look over our shoulders worrying that our next call may lead to the embarrassment of a suspension.  Remember, this is an avocation  - not our fulltime job.  How would you like to be subject to being suspended from your avocation?   The pay is not equal to the responsibility and certainly not to the level that justifies suspensions.

If little Johnny answers the simple 2 plus 2 math test question incorrectly, do we suspend him from class the next week?

I'm sorry, but this lapse of concentration is so profound and striking at such a high level that a suspension is warranted.  At least, the B and Replay here need some motivation.  Quite likely, they need to be replaced by one of scores of us who won't lose concentration.

A judgment call is one thing, but this miss was awful, inexcusable, and deserves consequences.  If I botched something this bad, I would expect to sit.

[TXMike]

I'd like to hear their version of events first.  A physical mistake, i.e. not seeing exactly right at game speed is a lot different than a mental mistake, i.e. botching an enforcement.  A replay guy who can slow things down and look at many different angles should get less "slack."  But, in both cases, I'd like to know all teh facts before stringing them up from the closest tree

[RickKY]

Watching the video again it appears the official under the left upright is in the proper position, if maybe even slightly outside the upright, and looking up as the ball passes by the upright.  I can only guess that he anticipated it would be successful and called it that way. 

[zebra99]

I'm sorry, but this lapse of concentration is so profound and striking at such a high level that a suspension is warranted.  At least, the B and Replay here need some motivation.  Quite likely, they need to be replaced by one of scores of us who won't lose concentration.

A judgment call is one thing, but this miss was awful, inexcusable, and deserves consequences.  If I botched something this bad, I would expect to sit.

But let's not hang them before we know their side of the story - sort of basic due process, don't you think?   

[JasonTX]

The B looks very young.  He don't look a day past 18.  Could inexperience play a role here? 

[InsideTheStripes]

The B looks very young.  He don't look a day past 18.  Could inexperience play a role here?

You're right... he looks like a boy. 

Good on him for being hired into a BCS conference at such a young age.

I don't see how inexperience would play a role on this one.  He wasn't out of position.  He didn't appear to have a lapse of judgment.  He obviously thought he saw something that he didn't actually see.

I hope it doesn't derail his officiating career too badly.