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Offline jlesseig

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First cancellation due to lightening
« on: October 01, 2011, 11:11:08 AM »
We had a small but ugly storm come through Reno/Sparks last night with a lot of lightening.

I was surprised to hear from one of our veterans (30+ years) say that the cancellation was a first for him. Even better it was the first time I was working with him and me having the white hat. It was nice to get his support in my decision to cancel for the evening and reschedule.

The coaches... well, you can imagine how they felt about it. One suggestion was arena football in the gym...

We've had a rough summer here in Reno, so I was not able to make it another weekend where we were in the national news for something bad.

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Offline FBUmp

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2011, 01:37:10 PM »
It was nice to get his support in my decision to cancel for the evening and reschedule.

That seems unusual to me.  While home management would consult with us, they would make the decision as to whether to cancel the game or not.

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2011, 07:18:12 PM »
That seems unusual to me.  While home management would consult with us, they would make the decision as to whether to cancel the game or not.

Just the opposite (sort of) here in Michigan:  Officials consult with visiting and home representatives

From State Policy:

A. Delays for contests scheduled prior to 3 p.m. must not exceed three hours. Delays for contests scheduled for 3 p.m. or later must not exceed one and one half hour. Delays on nights not followed by school for all the competing teams may be longer by mutual agreement of participating schools. A postponed contest shall be rescheduled on a date/time mutually agreed to by the schools involved.

B. A decision to resume the contest within the time frame must be made by the officials who shall consult the home team administration and visiting school administration present at the contest.

C. The home school is responsible for facilities and will be given priority consideration in the final decision if there is not consensus among the three parties.

D. The final decision shall consider liability and conditions of facilities as well as future schedules, need to play the contest and finally the quality of all other options.


Offline FBUmp

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2011, 08:42:43 PM »
Evidently not.   ;)

C. The home school is responsible for facilities and will be given priority consideration in the final decision if there is not consensus among the three parties.

We will meet and discuss it too but ultimately, the home school administration has the final say.

Offline Curious

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2011, 12:12:42 PM »
Evidently not.   ;)

C. The home school is responsible for facilities and will be given priority consideration in the final decision if there is not consensus among the three parties.

We will meet and discuss it too but ultimately, the home school administration has the final say.

No.... "sort of" (priority is given to the home team ONLY if there is no consensus).  At least that's the way I read it.  Semantics....? Maybe......

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2011, 02:46:59 PM »
Think about it this way.  Everyone either agrees with the home team or they get their way anyway. :)

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2011, 04:28:04 PM »
Think about it this way.  Everyone either agrees with the home team or they get their way anyway. :)

No, consensus means majority, not total agreement.  If the officials and the visitors agree with each other, then there is "consensus" even if the home team disagrees.  Since there is "consensus", then by rule, the home team opinion is not given priority.

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2011, 05:21:30 PM »
Thanks AB.  The statement says "...if there is not consensus among the three parties." That would indicate an agreement among all three parties, not two of the three parties. Perhaps, as Curious wrote, a case of semantics. But I'm 100% positive that if the home team doesn't want to play, then we ain't playing.
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Offline Atlanta Blue

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2011, 05:46:13 PM »
From a practical standpoint, you are probably correct.  But by rule, it MIGHT not happen.

I can't believe the three groups couldn't reach agreement on lightning anyway.  That one should be pretty simple.

For us, it's easy.  If the Thorguard goes off, we stop.  We don't restart until it blows clear.    From the GHSA Constitution:

Suspended and/or Terminated Games - When game officials suspend a game due to weather issues,
the following procedures are in place:
(1) For all Baseball, Softball, Football and Soccer contests involving teams of different classifications,
there will be up to a two-hour delay (cumulative) before the contest will be terminated. (See the
Baseball and Softball Sections to see the procedures involved with terminated games.)
(a) If the Football or Soccer contest is terminated before it has reached the halfway point, the contest
is declared a “no contest.”
(b) If the Football or Soccer contest is terminated after it has reached the halfway point, the score
at the point of termination is final.
(2) For Football, Lacrosse and Soccer contests involving teams of the same classification, all contests
will be played to completion.
(a) There will be no mandatory two-hour delay.
(b) The 11:30 curfew will be waived.
(c) Administrators from the competing schools may agree to terminate the contest and resume
competition at the point of interruption at a later time.
(d) The team that is behind may choose not to resume the contest at a later date.

Offline FBUmp

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2011, 05:49:09 PM »
I just find it real odd that the officials alone would be allowed to make the decision, as in the OP.

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 07:34:14 AM »
No, consensus means majority, not total agreement.
'Consensus' means general agreement, near unanimity. It is much stronger than majority, which might be just 51%.

Offline AlUpstateNY

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 11:24:27 AM »
'Consensus' means general agreement, near unanimity. It is much stronger than majority, which might be just 51%.

As with most everything we do, understanding a State rule, a Conference or League rule is extremely important, but if your own personal common sense tells you it's not safe to continue playing, all the King's horses and all the King's men shouldn't be able to force you into restarting the contest.

God forbid there's an accident, you will be the one answering questions, many which will be coming directly from the very people who insisted you follow their direction.   

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Re: First cancellation due to lightening
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2011, 01:13:22 AM »
Where I am the facility administrator (we don't have school ball here) can block a game due to conditions (of the grounds or extreme weather).
The official can (should) suspend the game for lightning, and if they are not able to resume within 1 hour the game is cancelled.
Or if they resume but need to break again and this keeps happening, than if the total time suspended is over 2 hours (I believe, don't have my book here) the game is cancelled.
I've had 3-4 games with suspensions, and 1 game cancelled from lightning.