Head Coach ejection

[TIGERBAIT]

In a game this past week we had a non player cursing right behind our end man. He threw his flag and at that point an assistant went completely off the chart and he was also flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct. The referee then informed the head coach that those to bench unsportsmanlike fouls resulted in his ejection from the game. I cannot find the rule for this. My thinking is that this situation under NCAA rules was done correctly but not for Federal rules.

[HLinNC]

There is none.  "You break it, you buy it".

I had a USC Friday night on an assistant and the WH conferred with the HC and warned him of the same thing.  On the ride home I asked about that but didn't get a response.  I think this is "basketball rules mentality".  The only USC fouls attributed to the HC are uniform/equipment violations after he has certified that all his players are legally equipped.

[Atlanta Blue]

Your referee was dead wrong.  The only Nonplayer USC fouls that are charged to the head coach are those in 9-1-8 g and h (and of course, those he commits himself).

g.  The failure of a team to:
1. Be ready to start the first half;
2. Be on the field following the conclusion of the halftime intermission or
be ready to start the second half at the conclusion of the mandatory
warm-up period and;
3. Comply with the restrictions of 3-2-2 at the coin toss or simulated coin
toss.
h. Failure of the head coach, following verification, to have his player(s) wearor use legal and/or required equipment.


I hope your R contacts the school to apologize, and contacts the state to rescind the ejection, as ejections often carry fines or suspensions for coaches, and this one was not earned by the head coach.

[Curious]

Your referee was dead wrong.  The only Nonplayer USC fouls that are charged to the head coach are those in 9-1-8 g and h (and of course, those he commits himself).

g.  The failure of a team to:
1. Be ready to start the first half;
2. Be on the field following the conclusion of the halftime intermission or
be ready to start the second half at the conclusion of the mandatory
warm-up period and;
3. Comply with the restrictions of 3-2-2 at the coin toss or simulated coin
toss.
h. Failure of the head coach, following verification, to have his player(s) wearor use legal and/or required equipment.


I hope your R contacts the school to apologize, and contacts the state to rescind the ejection, as ejections often carry fines or suspensions for coaches, and this one was not earned by the head coach.

Don't forget CB 9.8.3A: "The head coach is responsible for the team box"; so all USC fouls for sideline interference or violations of the restricted area during a live ball called against him, his players, or his coaches are charged to him!  A 4th such violation earns the HC an early trip to the locker room... 

[Sjref]

our association had soemthing similiar to these examples.

wingman had contact with someone on sideline, 15 yds

then later in game, assistant coach was asked to refrain from cursing and then went off on wingman using more explectives. USC 15 yds.

teh crew looked at it as two USC fouls on head coach and ejected him. would you say this is correct. teh state did not back the ejection and disagreed with the interpetation of the rule.

[cbailey]

our association had soemthing similiar to these examples.

wingman had contact with someone on sideline, 15 yds

then later in game, assistant coach was asked to refrain from cursing and then went off on wingman using more explectives. USC 15 yds.

teh crew looked at it as two USC fouls on head coach and ejected him. would you say this is correct. teh state did not back the ejection and disagreed with the interpetation of the rule.

Contact with a coach in the restricted area is a Personal Foul NOT Unsportsmanlike Conduct.  The state was right to rescind the ejection. 

The only thing we have is: One Personal Foul against whomever he had contact with on the sideline and One Unsportsmanlike Conduct foul charged to the assistant coach.  The head coach has nothing on him so far (except an unruly sideline).

[HLinNC]

Agree with cbailey, your crew got it wrong, Sjref. 

As for Curious:

Don't forget CB 9.8.3A: "The head coach is responsible for the team box";

 That case play is only deals with restricted area violations.   Don't try extrapolating it in to another rule.
 The cursing non-player earns his own USC, not the Head Coach.

How many areas/crews are screwing this up?

[Sjref]

yeah thats pretty much the interp. we were relayed. Since the USC on assistant is charged to him and him only, then how many assistant coaches can get seperate USC fouls before teh head coach is effected?

10 assistants and 10 USCs without any consequence to HC. I know 10 is exaggarating but you get my point.

[cbailey]

Since the USC on assistant is charged to him and him only, then how many assistant coaches can get seperate USC fouls before teh head coach is effected?

10 assistants and 10 USCs without any consequence to HC. I know 10 is exaggarating but you get my point.

He could have 400 assistant coaches on his sideline and each of them get their own UNS foul.....the head coach will not have a UNS charged to him unless he commits an UNS foul on his own.  However, after the 2nd or 3rd one on his sideline, we might attempt to persuade him to get his sideline under control.   

[HLinNC]

No different than if 10 of his players taunted after they scored.  That's 10 USC's on the players that did it.

[AlUpstateNY]

After two USC fouls by the same coach, it's mandatory that coach be disqualified.  However, any one USC foul against any coach, that is deemed flagrant, can merit disqualification.  At some point, determined by the calling official, a single repeated sideline USC fouls may very well reach the level of being considered "flagrant".

Non-players are considered different than players, as adults are supposed to be more in control of their emotions than children, and are held to a higher standard.

[Curious]

Agree with cbailey, your crew got it wrong, Sjref. 

As for Curious: 
 That case play is only deals with restricted area violations.   Don't try extrapolating it in to another rule.
 The cursing non-player earns his own USC, not the Head Coach.

How many areas/crews are screwing this up?

Hey NC, I was never trying to make 9.8.3A more than it is; just responding to AB's list of things that can a HC in the stands.

Don't extrapolate MY comments into anything more than they are.

[HLinNC]

My bad.

[busman]

If he cursed this official, I think I would find two USC's in there somewhere.