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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2011, 07:53:31 PM »
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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2011, 09:37:30 PM »
So, im a Notre Dame guy....
Do they still play football?
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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2011, 11:55:21 PM »
If you don't mind a false start being called an offside.

I'm still trying to figure this out.  I've searched high and low looking for rules support on how they can call offside when the player is not even close to the neutral zone.  One time is a brain fart.  Two times makes you scratch your head as to why.  This should not reflect on Novak because I think he is one of the top R's in the Big 12 and he can only enforce based upon the information he is provided by his crewmates.

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« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2011, 12:03:51 AM »
"Damn good crew, BTW"

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2011, 04:43:37 AM »
I'm still trying to figure this out.  I've searched high and low looking for rules support on how they can call offside when the player is not even close to the neutral zone.  One time is a brain fart.  Two times makes you scratch your head as to why.  This should not reflect on Novak because I think he is one of the top R's in the Big 12 and he can only enforce based upon the information he is provided by his crewmates.

The 2d hand info I have is that this is the way that conference wants it done which is reportedly the same way the nfl treats it

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2011, 08:02:11 AM »
The 2d hand info I have is that this is the way that conference wants it done which is reportedly the same way the nfl treats it
Ahh... the good old NFL. And just when we thought the NCAA/CFO was trying to STANDARDIZE mechanics...   hEaDbAnG
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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2011, 09:22:25 AM »
So, im a Notre Dame guy. I just dontthink you should default into a champ game just because of your name recognition.

Suppose the SEC didn't have a championship game.  How would you feel then?

But I'm sure you think it's OK if ND "defaults" into a BCS bowl if they merely finish in the top 8 of the final standings, regardless of record.  (Ask Boise State for their opinion.)

And I seem to remember ND claiming a NC after playing for a tie vs Michigan State in 1966.

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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2011, 02:21:18 PM »
Suppose the SEC didn't have a championship game.  How would you feel then?

But I'm sure you think it's OK if ND "defaults" into a BCS bowl if they merely finish in the top 8 of the final standings, regardless of record.  (Ask Boise State for their opinion.)

And I seem to remember ND claiming a NC after playing for a tie vs Michigan State in 1966.

Id feel the same way. If you cant win your CONFERENCE you don deserve a chance to play for the inter-conference title. Why not let the Saints and Packers play for the Super Bowl even if on of them loses before making the NFC title? Its silly

Oh boy, here come the ND hater comments eh? Nothing I havent heard a million times before. A) there is no language that says 'ND gets a BCS game if...' ND's BCS scenarios are exactly the same as any non-AQ school in the FBS. Finish in the top 9 and you get an At-large spot and the bowl games may or may not select u. With the fanbase, no bowl would pass on ND. Nothing ND does will do anything
To prevent a school like Boise from making a BCS game. If you want THAT culprit, look at the conferences and THEIR relationship with the BCS. They can send a garbage team(2010 UCONN) to its AQ spot. Now THAT is screwed up.

Exactly what NC do you not think ND deserves? All of the ones weve won are awarded by the leading poll of that time. Bama claims like 5 or 6 from 'Bubbas FB poll' and other such outfits. 

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Excuse me, I did misspeak. ND has to be top EIGHT to qualify, not 9. Non-AQ schools like Boise, TCU, UH can finish in the top 16 and still make an At-Large berth.

"3. The champion of Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, or the Western Athletic Conference will earn an automatic berth in a BCS bowl game if either:


  A. Such team is ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings, or,
  B. Such team is ranked in the top 16 of the final BCS Standings and its ranking in the final BCS Standings is higher than that of a champion of a conference that has an annual automatic berth in one of the BCS bowls.

4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.
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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2011, 05:11:40 PM »
Id feel the same way. If you cant win your CONFERENCE you don deserve a chance to play for the inter-conference title. Why not let the Saints and Packers play for the Super Bowl even if on of them loses before making the NFC title? Its silly

It's only silly because there's no playoff system in D-I.

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Exactly what NC do you not think ND deserves?

1966.  They played for a tie against Michigan State, plus didn't go to a bowl game.

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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2011, 09:41:36 PM »
But back then, the National Champion was determined by the polls, not bowls. ND was ranked #1 by BOTH major polls. Not like Bama, who in 1925 and 26 claim titles that were granted to them 2 and 15 years LATER, respectively. Then their '30 "title" which actually went to ND in 6 different polls, but one goofball said it was Bama.Same stories with '34(a FAN who awarded a title) and '41(when the AP ranked them 20)...imaginary

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2011, 07:19:59 AM »
But back then, the National Champion was determined by the polls, not bowls.
Yes, but the AP final poll was after the bowl games.  Alabama was the beneficiary of that in 1965, being ranked #4 going into the bowls but beating #3 Nebraska after both #1 and #2 lost their bowl games earlier in the day.

My point is that the 1966 ND team not only played for a tie in their final game, but refused a bowl game -- essentially "sitting in the clubhouse" like you're accusing Alabama of doing this year.

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2011, 09:25:24 AM »
Theyre not really comparable. It was a totally different landscape. There were a handful of bowls then and ND never participated in them. Going into the season everyone knew ND would not play in a bowl, and the bowls themselves did not have the sway they do today. I have issue TODAY with Bama sitting in the clubhouse and then getting to play over other deserving teams just because they're Bama.

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2011, 10:13:54 AM »
ND has not been relevant to major college football in 20 years. I feel they get the benefit of a storied history that is greater than their present day reality. Who do they play besides Michigan? The Service Acdameys have not been real good in some time and will never be what they once used to be. 

For the record I think the BCS got it right...#1 & #2 are playing in the NC game. I don't really care if they are from the same conference. It might tell you something about that conference when you had the #1, #2 & #3 team in the BCS all from the same division of that conference.

The real travesty is not the NC game match-up...it's the fact that we have no way to settle it on the field...move to a playoff and you solve the problem. The rub I have is the teams that were left out of BCS games and some that got in just because they have an AQ status due to conference affiliation. Besides the NC game, the best game on the docket is not even a BCS game. Arkansas and KSU will be a great match-up...better than most BCS games. The Orange and Sugar Bowls are total jokes this year. The Big East needs an AQ like I need an additional hole in my head....Basketball, now your talking but not football.

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2011, 10:27:17 AM »
The 2d hand info I have is that this is the way that conference wants it done which is reportedly the same way the nfl treats it

When the Right Defensive End flinches and the Offensive Guard on the other side of the ball not even adjacent to the DE false starts I don't see how they can "treat it" as an offside.  Making a non-football related move to cause a false start may be a stretch but that isn't offside.  Delay of Game would be the proper call.   deadhorse:

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2011, 06:30:28 PM »
ND has not been relevant to major college football in 20 years. I feel they get the benefit of a storied history that is greater than their present day reality. Who do they play besides Michigan? The Service Acdameys have not been real good in some time and will never be what they once used to be. 


That entire paragraph is riddled with ignorance of the CFB landscape and a tired argument that holds no basis in reality. Who do they play? Michigan, USC, Stanford, Michigan State. Dont give me this "ND doesnt play anyone" garbage.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm?loc=interstitialskip
ND has the 26th most difficult schedule according to the leading expert on the matter, Jeff Sagarin.

Next up, again, a ridiculous argument that the service academies aren't worth considering. Give me a break. First of all, last year all three of them went to a bowl game and Navy will have an 8-game bowl appearance streak broken this year. Get off the "the service academies suck" train. As a backup criticism of that comment, ND only ever regularly schedules NAVY. AFA and Army appear occasionally, but not on a regular basis.

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2011, 07:52:45 PM »
Which means there are 25 teams with tougher schedule than ND. I am not banging on the military schools. I have great respect for those guys. With a family full of Air Force brats and friends that have gone to West Point, I understand but can't fully comprehend the sacrafice they make.

My point is ND starts to get hype as being "back" when they win 4 in a row only to fall when they start to play teams that are ranked. Am I biased against ND? YES. They have to prove for at least a season they are good before I give them some respect. I hope they hurry as they are give Irishman like me a bad name ;-)

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2011, 07:23:19 AM »
I have issue TODAY with Bama sitting in the clubhouse and then getting to play over other deserving teams just because they're Bama.

Are you referencing Oklahoma State?  The team that also didn't play in a conference championship game?  The team that lost by giving up a 17-point second-half lead to a 27-point underdog?

And I give no credence to a Notre Dame fan who complains "just because they're 'Bama."  Pot, meet kettle.

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2011, 08:03:00 AM »
Yawn.......

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2011, 04:14:47 PM »
RR re the officials for the game.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/35071/bcs-title-game-wont-have-sec-officials


BCS title game won't have SEC officials
By Ivan Maisel
 
The BCS and other bowls, in their infinite wisdom, employ officiating crews from neutral conferences. That is unlike what occurs during the regular season, when conference crews work their own games, and generally, but not always, the road team in a nonconference game brings its officials.
 
But what happens when the BCS Championship Game matches two teams from the same conference? Why should the BCS bother with a neutral officiating crew when a Southeastern Conference crew worked not only the LSU-Alabama game in the regular season, but the other 47 SEC games as well?
 
Rogers Redding is the perfect man to answer those questions. Not only is he the National Coordinator of Football Officials, he took that job after serving as the SEC coordinator. It’s a good thing, too. Instead of reading the rule book, Redding had to read between the lines of rules.
 
“The guidelines for bowl-game officiating, which includes the championship game, do not anticipate the possibility of both teams being from the same conference,” Redding said in an email reply. “Thus they are silent on the issue, and hence are open to interpretation.
 
“The guidelines consistently call for ‘neutral crews,’ which is defined as crews from a conference different from those of the participants in the game. I am interpreting that literally in this case, so the crew officiating the game will not be from the SEC.”
 
Redding, of course, chose not to identify which conference will supply the crew for the Allstate BCS National Championship Game. He said only which one will not supply it.
 
It’s too bad: If an SEC crew worked the game, LSU and Alabama wouldn’t have to spend any time at the outset adjusting to the crew or vice versa. The rule for neutral crews is a good one. In this case, it is not only unnecessary, it may impede the play of the game.

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2011, 04:42:14 PM »

Redding, of course, chose not to identify which conference will supply the crew for the Allstate BCS National Championship Game. He said only which one will not supply it.


Interesting choice of words here.  Why "of course"?  Is it some secret?  I read it here a week ago.
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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2011, 05:49:41 PM »
Yawn.......

I am a Bama fan and I agree...Yawn....

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Re: BCS National Championship Game
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2011, 11:35:23 PM »
Very good crew and the PF was marked off on the KO. Those who say they have never thrown a flag they wish they could have back or have only worked perfect games throughout their career shouldn't write on message boards! Yes and it happens to the best even at the highest level. Best Quote I have ever heard from my mentor my first year on the field some 20+ years ago....If you forget everything I tell you this season please remember one thing on your way up..... Silence can never be misquoted!!!
You sound a little personally involved - are you certain that you are being fair and impartial on a forum that thrives on the free and unfettered dialogue and exchange of ideas? I don't believe anyone is saying they have worked a perfect football game, or are attacking Sott's crew, other than discussing some rather public "interesting moments" that crew has experienced this year.