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Hank

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TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« on: December 18, 2011, 10:03:39 AM »
At 4:26 of the 4th quarter.  Pass to A24 in end zone.  Touchdown signaled but player tackled and loses ball.  Touchdown or incomplete?  Maybe someone can post video.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2011, 11:25:17 AM »
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 12:04:19 PM »
I am good with the TD for this reason - he catches the ball and takes 3 steps with it before he is thrown down. Since the catch is complete in the EZ the play is over and the subsequent fumble is irrelevant.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 02:00:21 PM »
I don't think he ever had complete control of the ball.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2011, 07:01:37 PM »
I do...but um just an umpire!  L was too quick on the signal, but it's pretty obvious that the catch is completed prior to the contact by the defender.  The ball is dead prior to the contact.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2011, 08:20:37 PM »
I agree with Blindref.  Wanted to see what others thought.  I don't think this is a catch while going to the ground because the catch is made before the player goes to the ground.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 05:56:12 AM »
See, I'm seeing the ball move all over the joint: I don't see complete control.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 07:08:03 AM »
I think I would rule this an incomplete pass at the A-50, so I'm going to rule an incomplete pass in the end zone, too. But I also think that this is very borderline, so would personally support another official ruling a catch and a fumble / TD.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2011, 10:12:32 AM »
I'm with Tex.  Catch, three steps, tackle, ball comes loose after all of that.  I think it is a completions at the 50 and/or a TD every time. 
Seems like we are trying to get into the NFL completion of the process way too much.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2011, 10:35:42 AM »
Quote from: Livin' in the pit on December 19, 2011, 05:56:12 AM
See, I'm seeing the ball move all over the joint: I don't see complete control.

I think I'm on board with your thought here but the video isn't clear enough for me to be 100%.
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Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2011, 11:38:29 AM »
One college supervisor I have spoken to says if the player making a catch comes to ground he must maintain possession of the ball.

I like that interpretation because it takes away all of the discussion above about whether he had 'enough control' to count as a TD or not and, on the field, different outcomes from different officials on the same play.

On that basis it was incomplete.
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