Author Topic: TCU vs LA Tech (Read 26842 times)

Etref · « **on:** December 22, 2011, 08:23:04 AM »

In the game last night (Poinsettia Bowl), there was a RTK called against TCU. Tech was punting from around their own goal line and TCU rusher slipped on the turf and slid past the punter. As the punter came down he landed on the arm of the sliding TCU player. The R who was in perfect position called this roughing.

I thought at best it was a running in to.

Did anyone else see this play. I do not have video.

Kalle · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2011, 08:30:13 AM »

From your description I agree, running into would be the more correct call in that kind of a situation.

Atlanta Blue · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2011, 08:32:15 AM »

Looking cross-eyed at as kicker should be a penalty, touching one should be cause for arrest. And yes, I coach kickers.

Seriously, even I had a hard time seeing that one as roughing. I think there was a little more than "falling on the arm of the runnner", but that contact didn't rise to the level of roughing.

Of course, that didn't keep mike May from butchering the "roughing vs running into" disctinction.

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2011, 08:35:13 AM »

I saw it....hardly even running into the kicker. Inconsequential touch embellished by that non-skill position player, the kicker

Rulesman · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2011, 09:34:00 AM »

I saw it and even the common-taters got it right. At best, running into, and even that could be a stretch in the eyes of some.

Atlanta Blue · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:25:30 AM »

Quote from: TxSkyBolt on December 22, 2011, 08:35:13 AM

that non-skill position player, the kicker

Each year, during football camp, we make a lineman, or wide receiver, or even a QB kick an extra point. If they make it, no running after practice.

We have well conditioned players because they ALWAYS have to run.

busman · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2011, 11:08:27 AM »

I kicked and punted, even led the team in tackles on kickoffs (why not, I had a running start?). It took as much skill for those two aspects of my game then blocking and tackling. And believe me, with the centers I had, I had to have the best hands on the team. If I am not mistaken, Ray Guy played both ways in college and only in the pros did they limit him to punting and kicking off.

TxKeith · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:55:48 PM »

I saw it and even in the replays would have a hard time flagging for running into the kicker. To me it was a great no call.

Etref · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:59:13 PM »

Quote from: TxKeith on December 22, 2011, 01:55:48 PM

I saw it and even in the replays would have a hard time flagging for running into the kicker. To me it was a great no call.

Except they did flag it and marked off 15 and gave Tech a first down..............................

TXMike · « **Reply #9 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:01:42 PM »

the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZJIV98t5g&feature=related

mccormicw · « **Reply #10 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:50:59 PM »

We need a "waving off a penalty" icon.

TXMike · « **Reply #11 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:15:08 PM »

Curious · « **Reply #12 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:51:01 PM »

TXMike.....I'm shocked! But I love it.

#3 please

blindref757 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:58:03 PM »

On my worst day of officiating, I couldn't call that as a PF. That call really makes you wonder about integrity...

ref6983 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 22, 2011, 04:13:48 PM »

I believe the guidelines are that if a defender makes forcible contact with the plant foot/leg, then it's a foul for roughing.

There is no question that he hits the plant foot. The forcible part is certainly arguable, but in real time the referee felt it was and that contact sent the kicker to the ground. I'm okay with that.

However, those who think this is not a foul at all are hearing something different from there boss than many of us because there is no question the contact causes the kicker to go to the ground before he regains his balance.

TXMike · « **Reply #15 on:** December 22, 2011, 04:28:32 PM »

Quote from: blindref757 on December 22, 2011, 03:58:03 PM

On my worst day of officiating, I couldn't call that as a PF. That call really makes you wonder about integrity...

Have you lost your mind??? Now you are talking like the numbskull fans who automatically equate a missed call with some sort of dishonest motives. Geez........

WCFB · « **Reply #16 on:** December 22, 2011, 05:14:36 PM »

Quote from: blindref757 on December 22, 2011, 03:58:03 PM

On my worst day of officiating, I couldn't call that as a PF. That call really makes you wonder about integrity...

Delete your post on this one maybe?

No it does not make me wonder about integrity... when i see calls like this my first thought is to look at the call from the angle of the official that called it. I give them the benefit of the doubt 1st!

blindref757 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2011, 06:19:19 PM »

No, I haven't lost my mind. Yes...I am a fan. I'm a fan of getting it right and furthermore I'm a fan of the best of the best getting to the elite levels of officiating and getting bowl assignments based on merit. I can look at the play and think of all the vairables about position and human error...and in doing that, I could even possibly support running into the kicker. But a PF of this? Nope...can't buy it. Not from someone with this level of experience. He has to know that kickers are 25% athlete and 75% actor.

I'm open to someone explaining to me how I might be wrong...but based on what I can see and my knowledge of the rules, I can't see a PF here...with all of the benefit of the doubt. The kicker took a dive...evidenced by the poop eating grin on his face as he walks back to his seat on the end of the bench. I watched some of the World Cup last summer and between the vuvzelas and the flopping, I just couldn't take it!

I'm pretty sure that someone on my crew would have a big chunk of my backside if I blew one this big.

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2011, 06:24:46 PM »

Blind,

You're changing your tune a little and that's good. What was over the line was your intimation that the R was being dishonest and showed favoritism. You need to back off of that.

Best regards,

Brad

110 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2011, 07:01:34 PM »

Ughly penalty. I hope the white cap was seriously downgraded for that blunder.

Etref · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2011, 07:16:00 PM »

Quote from: blindref757 on December 22, 2011, 06:19:19 PM

I'm pretty sure that someone on my crew would have a big chunk of my backside if I blew one this big.

And you would be right..........................

I think it was just a blown call, period, end of sentence. Have we all had them, yeah. We learn from mistakes, hopefully others and not ours....

zebra99 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2011, 08:53:32 PM »

Quote from: blindref757 on December 22, 2011, 03:58:03 PM

On my worst day of officiating, I couldn't call that as a PF. That call really makes you wonder about integrity...

Hey Blind - hard to believe you would raise the integrity question if you really are an official. What's that saying about "He who lives in a glass house..."? Odds are you've made a mistake or two in your career equal to this. If you deny that, then I WILL question your integrity!

Rulesman · « **Reply #22 on:** December 22, 2011, 09:04:27 PM »

Quote from: Livin' in the pit on December 22, 2011, 07:01:34 PM

...and the Oscar goes to the PUNTER... for the biggest flop of the year!

blindref757 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2011, 09:40:22 PM »

Quote from: zebra99 on December 22, 2011, 08:53:32 PM

Hey Blind - hard to believe you would raise the integrity question if you really are an official. What's that saying about "He who lives in a glass house..."? Odds are you've made a mistake or two in your career equal to this. If you deny that, then I WILL question your integrity!

Not denying that at all. Probably made a mistake with my post. The mistake that would be forgivable is the running into the kicker call. I could stand behind that all day long...I wouldn't like it, but could take it for the team. But a PF for Roughing there? I want to believe that it was an honest mistake...but you have to admit that it is really egregious for an official at this level. I am well aware of my shortcomings and limitations, but this isn't about me and I don't work bowl games. Seems to me that these kinks should be worked out by the time a guy gets to this level? And for the record, I've also seen and been disappointed by people who did unethical things with stripes on their back. The same human element that causes us to make mistakes with our eyes can also come into play with emotions--I've seen, and I'm sure that you have also seen guys use the flag to get in a parting shot against a coach who made them mad. With all due respect to you and the avocation, it isn't out of the question is it?

MJT · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:46:46 PM »

Quote from: blindref757 on December 22, 2011, 09:40:22 PM

Seems to me that these kinks should be worked out by the time a guy gets to this level? And for the record, I've also seen and been disappointed by people who did unethical things with stripes on their back. The same human element that causes us to make mistakes with our eyes can also come into play with emotions--I've seen, and I'm sure that you have also seen guys use the flag to get in a parting shot against a coach who made them mad. With all due respect to you and the avocation, it isn't out of the question is it?

At the level they are working, unethical things by officials is almost unheard of. For some reason, he probably just didn't get a good look at it and when in doubt, went with roughing. Replay would show it was the wrong call, but no more than that. Suggesting otherwise should not even be discussed on this board. That is the kind of stuff that is on fan boards, and are BS even on those boards. These officials are too good, and make too much money to be unethical, but that doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes from time to time.

Author Topic: TCU vs LA Tech (Read 26842 times)

busman

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