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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2011, 11:00:37 PM »
Not denying that at all.  Probably made a mistake with my post.  The mistake that would be forgivable is the running into the kicker call.  I could stand behind that all day long...I wouldn't like it, but could take it for the team.  But a PF for Roughing there?  I want to believe that it was an honest mistake...but you have to admit that it is really egregious for an official at this level.  I am well aware of my shortcomings and limitations, but this isn't about me and I don't work bowl games.  Seems to me that these kinks should be worked out by the time a guy gets to this level?  And for the record, I've also seen and been disappointed by people who did unethical things with stripes on their back.  The same human element that causes us to make mistakes with our eyes can also come into play with emotions--I've seen, and I'm sure that you have also seen guys use the flag to get in a parting shot against a coach who made them mad.  With all due respect to you and the avocation, it isn't out of the question is it?

all I'm saying is a missed call, no matter how bad, does not begin to suggest the official is acting without integrity or unethically.  That's what "fans" want to believe - the old conspiracy theorists.  And, to even mention that word in this context is simply unfair especially from a fellow official. 

I really don't understand the emotions some have expressed with this pure judgment call.  I'm not defending it one way or the other just trying to poor water on what, in my opinion, has been way too much "fire" over this one.  I can show you dozens of misses which were worst than this one, all made by top tier officials, myself included.  It's just the nature of us humans.

To even hint of integrity on this play you would have to point to something else going on which would have the official say to himself "I believe it's running into but I'm going to upgrade it to roughing because  ..........."  with the "something else" not related to officiating.  What is that "something else"?  Can you think of anything without purely speculating or being one of those conspiracy freaks?

So bottom line - yes, integrity is out of the question on this one - especially because I know the official and his character - a person I would trust with everything I have!

So my point is that a call by an official, in and of itself, does not and should not give rise to even a sniff of an integrity issue by those in the know .........
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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2011, 03:55:11 AM »
The same human element that causes us to make mistakes with our eyes can also come into play with emotions--I've seen, and I'm sure that you have also seen guys use the flag to get in a parting shot against a coach who made them mad.  With all due respect to you and the avocation, it isn't out of the question is it?

I will assume those folks are no longer officiating because the only thing worse than someone who DID act like that is someone who saw it and did not do all they could to get rid of the person.

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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2011, 06:47:58 AM »
Fair enough...it was a blown call.

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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2011, 12:46:57 PM »
Quote from: blindref757
The same human element that causes us to make mistakes with our eyes can also come into play with emotions--I've seen, and I'm sure that you have also seen guys use the flag to get in a parting shot against a coach who made them mad.  With all due respect to you and the avocation, it isn't out of the question is it?

I will assume those folks are no longer officiating because the only thing worse than someone who DID act like that is someone who saw it and did not do all they could to get rid of the person.

nope, they tend to call illegal stemming in bowl games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA8CZfP4S7s

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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2011, 01:40:16 PM »
That Big10 R sure seemingly gave quite quite the explanation, eh?

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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2011, 04:37:19 PM »
IMO it is neither but if you're calling something it would have to be roughing per most philosophies. The contact is on the plant leg.

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« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2011, 06:29:35 PM »
It does not take much to break an ankle or pop a PCL on an inside/out hit like this. I know it doesn't look like much but it is a grounded plant leg and his knee is pushed out and ankle turned. If the punter suffered an injury on the play would it change any opinions?

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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2011, 07:37:59 AM »
These officials are too good, and make too much money to be unethical, but that doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes from time to time.

I am not for one second questioning this official's honesty or ethics, I simply think he judged the contact a little too harshly. 

However your argument that they are too good or make too much money to be unethical holds no water.  See Tim Donaghy as an example of someone working at an even higher level and making even more money that got himself in trouble and took the unethical way out.

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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2011, 08:32:46 AM »
all I'm saying is a missed call, no matter how bad, does not begin to suggest the official is acting without integrity or unethically.  That's what "fans" want to believe - the old conspiracy theorists.  And, to even mention that word in this context is simply unfair especially from a fellow official. 

I really don't understand the emotions some have expressed with this pure judgment call.  I'm not defending it one way or the other just trying to poor water on what, in my opinion, has been way too much "fire" over this one.  I can show you dozens of misses which were worst than this one, all made by top tier officials, myself included.  It's just the nature of us humans.

To even hint of integrity on this play you would have to point to something else going on which would have the official say to himself "I believe it's running into but I'm going to upgrade it to roughing because  ..........."  with the "something else" not related to officiating.  What is that "something else"?  Can you think of anything without purely speculating or being one of those conspiracy freaks?

So bottom line - yes, integrity is out of the question on this one - especially because I know the official and his character - a person I would trust with everything I have!

So my point is that a call by an official, in and of itself, does not and should not give rise to even a sniff of an integrity issue by those in the know .........

Right on. Enough said.

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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2011, 09:37:32 AM »
It does not take much to break an ankle or pop a PCL on an inside/out hit like this. I know it doesn't look like much but it is a grounded plant leg and his knee is pushed out and ankle turned. If the punter suffered an injury on the play would it change any opinions?

You mean if he injured himself doing the flop?   LOL

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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2011, 09:52:34 AM »
how about this for a proposed official interpretation?  If in our judgment the kicker flops/fakes, the call is downgraded one level - roughing to running into, running into to nothing.  I know we have that rule allowing for a UNS but when is the last time anyone has called that?

I recall one of our colleagues in a bowl game a few years ago calling roughing when there was actually NO contact.  TV showed the kicker laughing on the bench afterwards.

When I saw it live on TV and even the first replay, I would have bet everything that there was contact causing the kicker to go down hard.  But, alas, the 3rd replay showed he missed him by inches.  The kicker didn't even appear to flop - he's now a big time Hollywood actor!   LOL

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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2011, 10:42:17 AM »
I am not for one second questioning this official's honesty or ethics, I simply think he judged the contact a little too harshly. 

However your argument that they are too good or make too much money to be unethical holds no water.  See Tim Donaghy as an example of someone working at an even higher level and making even more money that got himself in trouble and took the unethical way out.

Yes, and I thought of mentioning him, but seriously, I bet you could count on one hand the officials who have been unethical and that would be with thousands who have worked at the highest levels in the past 20 years. That puts the percentage of bad guys in the .001% range.  I'd say that is pretty darn good. Name another profession that is that low for the crooks at the top.

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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2011, 09:26:02 AM »
Speaking of flops...from yesterday's Hawaii Bowl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xIrjeqsTRY&feature=youtu.be

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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2011, 05:14:24 PM »
Looks like he's wearing biking shorts, too

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Re: TCU vs LA Tech
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2011, 06:20:27 PM »
Looks like he's wearing biking shorts, too
That's why they're called "uniforms"... everybody's wearing 'em.  ;)
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