Looking for help in clearing up confussion on the untimed down rule

[FBstripes]

Looking for help in clearing up confusion on the untimed down rule.  Here is a play that happened this year. 

Here's the situation...  with :40 left in the 1st quarter the offense on 1st down has a foul free running play that ends inbounds, on 2nd down before the ball is snapped, with clocking running, the offense commits a dead ball false start, we stopped the clock enforced the yardage and wound the clock to replay 2nd down, the offense then has another false start which we stopped the clock again enforced the yardage and by this time there is :16 seconds left in the quarter, we wound the clock again and the offense allowed the clock to run out and the quarter ended. 

We did not have an untimed down and we were told that we should have.

...our conversation on the field was that because it was not an accepted "live ball" foul the quarter can end without an untimed down..

what's the official ruling (were we correct or should we have had an untimed down)? 
Please supply NFHS rule/case play references. 

Thanks in advance and Happy New Year to all.

[Atlanta Blue]

We did not have an untimed down and we were told that we should have.

Whoever told you that gave you bad advice.  No untimed down.  Rule is 3-3-3:

A period must be extended by an untimed down if during the last
timed down of the period, one of the following occurred:
a. There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted, except for
those fouls listed in 3-3-4b.

Your fouls were not DURING the the last timed down, they were dead ball fouls.  The period is not extended for dead ball fouls.

[HLinNC]

AB is correct.

[FBUmp]

...our conversation on the field was that because it was not an accepted "live ball" foul the quarter can end without an untimed down..

You were correct.  Those are dead ball fouls.

[DJW201]

Under rule 3-4-6, the R can hold the clock at the ready if a team is trying to consume time illegally (e.g., by committing penalties).  Normally, you would not encounter this situation until the end of a half, but Case Play 3.4.6.D. recites a situation involving a false start and punting into the wind that could apply at the end of the first or third quarters.

[busman]

With it being the first quarter it is highly unlikely, but say the team was on the 10 in field goal range on fourth down, but there was a 25 mph wind blowing in their face.  Following the second false start, could you have started the clock on the snap, determining  the team was intentionally fouling in order for the quarter to expire and they would get the wind to attempt the field goal?

(Sorry for the duplicate, I was about two minutes late with this post.)
 

[AlUpstateNY]

Following the second false start, could you have started the clock on the snap, determining  the team was intentionally fouling in order for the quarter to expire and they would get the wind to attempt the field goal?

Absolutely, and that's entirely your call.

[Osric Pureheart]

Whoever told you that gave you bad advice.  No untimed down.  Rule is 3-3-3:

A period must be extended by an untimed down if during the last
timed down of the period,

Just as an interested spectator, is there any practical effect through not having the same wording as NCAA, which is "...during a down in which time expires"? 

See, I could someone reading that and defining "the last timed down of a period" as one that ends with 10 seconds left, if after enforcing the penalty that occurred during it you're going to wind on the RFP; do you then make Team A snap the ball again even if the clock runs down to 00:00 before the snap?

[Atlanta Blue]

Just as an interested spectator, is there any practical effect through not having the same wording as NCAA, which is "...during a down in which time expires"? 

See, I could someone reading that and defining "the last timed down of a period" as one that ends with 10 seconds left, if after enforcing the penalty that occurred during it you're going to wind on the RFP; do you then make Team A snap the ball again even if the clock runs down to 00:00 before the snap?

Yes, that's exactly what you would do, which is the difference between the NCAA and NFHS rule.

[Magician]

Yes, that's exactly what you would do, which is the difference between the NCAA and NFHS rule

I've also found there is a tendency to avoid wording rules exactly like NCAA although many rule changes do tend to follow NCAA rule changes in theory (i.e. chop block and horse collar).