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National Championship Crew
« on: January 10, 2012, 05:58:57 AM »
Referee: Scott Novak  •  Umpire: Michael Cooper  •  Linesman: George Gusman  •  Line judge: David Oliver  •  Back judge: Brad Van Vark  •  Field judge: Scott Gaines  •  Side judge: Gene Semko 
Wat go, guys - Great game!! Thank you for representing the Big 12 and our entire avocation in such a professional manner! :bOW

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 08:19:07 AM »
Looked like a tough game to officiate with two teams that hate each other pressing the fine line of unsportsmanlike on every single play.  They had to  get between players often.

Rogers Redding said it was a valid fair catch signal, so I’ll go with that.

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 08:29:05 AM »
Looked like a tough game to officiate with two teams that hate each other pressing the fine line of unsportsmanlike on every single play.  They had to  get between players often.

They did a good job discouraging any escalation by getting to the players; and showed excellent restraint by withholding flags.


Rogers Redding said it was a valid fair catch signal, so I’ll go with that.

Nice for the BJ that RR corroborated the call; but it (the signal) seemed like it met the minimum requirements.  I think the problem for the kickers came from the fact the the B player signaled very early in the kick; so the A player probably didn't even see it.

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Re: National Championship Crew
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 08:56:03 AM »
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Thought that Novak and crew did a most commendable job! Way to go, Gentlemen!  z^

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Re: National Championship Crew
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 09:28:44 AM »
While I agree it is useful to discuss the validity of the signal.  Hopefully we all agree there was a foul here, regardless of what you want to call it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Id0aHRtgk

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Re: National Championship Crew
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 09:29:36 AM »
Yes, they did a great job but in watching the game, I thought the teams did a great job of playing football. There were few penalties and I didn't see anything they blatantly missed. Granted, a good crew will certainly 'direct' a well played game and they did that perfectly. Did feel a little sorry for the SJ who took a tumble on national TV,  :-[

Someone else feels it was an easy game to officiate also...


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While offenses have exploded in the NFL, it seems like defense still wins championships in the NCAA.

Just ask LSU.

 
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Alabama got revenge for its 9-6 overtime loss to LSU in November by shutting out LSU 21-0 to win the national championship Monday night in New Orleans.

It was the first time in history that a team has been shut out in a BCS bowl game, let alone the national championship game.

You want to know how disciplined the Crimson Tide were Monday night? They committed no turnovers and only one penalty.

Just as it was back in November, the game became a field-goal-kicking contest until late in the fourth quarter, when Alabama scored a touchdown.

From an officiating point of view, it’s always easier to officiate a low-scoring game like this. In fact, there were only six penalties called the entire game.

There weren’t many, but let’s take a look at two of the interesting calls in this game.


THE SITUATION: LSU had the ball, fourth down and 6 from the LSU 47-yard line with 10:04 left in the third quarter. Alabama led 12-0.

THE PLAY: LSU’s Brad Wing punted the ball 43 yards. Alabama’s Christion Jones signaled for fair catch at the Crimson Tide 25. The Tigers’ Ron Brooks was called for an unnecessary-roughness penalty.

MY TAKE: The question here was whether the fair catch signal given by Jones was valid or invalid. Who am I to argue with the national coordinator of NCAA officiating, Rogers Redding, who was quoted by Brent Musberger during the broadcast as saying that the signal was legal.

The rule, as eloquently pointed out by some of my Twitter followers, states that "a valid signal is a signal by a player who has obviously signaled his intention by extending one hand only, clearly above his head and waving that hand from side to side of his body more than once.''

It certainly didn’t look like Jones' hand clearly extended above his head. On the other hand, the NCAA has been very liberal in respect to what is a legal signal and what is not. Once they eliminated the old "halo'' rule, the NCAA has made the point that it wants the receivers of a kick protected. That includes situations even when a fair catch signal is not given.

Moving to Rule 6 in the college rule book, it is an "interference foul'' if the kicking team contacts the potential receiver before, or simultaneous to, his first touching the ball. The rule goes on to state that, when in question, it is an interference foul.

In summary, while technically the signal was invalid, the philosophy dictated by the NCAA makes this a foul in my opinion, whether there was a signal given or not. And by the way, there is no foul for invalid signals. You do, however, lose normal fair-catch protection.

THE SITUATION: Alabama had the ball, fourth down and 4 at the LSU 32-yard line with 13:17 left in the second quarter. Alabama led 3-0.

THE PLAY: Alabama lined up to kick a field goal and faked it. Quarterback A.J. McCarron, who was the holder for the field goal, then threw a shuttle pass to Chris Underwood for four yards and a first down. The spot was close, and the Crimson Tide got the first down by an inch. The replay official initiated a review, and the ruling on the field of a first down stood as called.

MY TAKE: It’s a game of inches. And there’s likely not going to be a spot any closer than that with as big an impact. In my opinion, veteran head linesman George Gusman, from Honolulu, nailed that spot.

What you didn’t get was a TV shot from right down the line, which would have been the only way you could have told for sure whether the spot needed to be adjusted. All networks covering field-goal attempts usually start with a shot from behind the kicker as their live shot. That’s what ESPN did, and that’s why we ended up with no down-the-line shot.


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Re: National Championship Crew
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2012, 09:32:49 AM »
Interesting the LSU player bumped R with arms down near his side. - apparently not intending to make a legit tackle but to still get his money's worth nevertheless.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 09:34:43 AM by TampaSteve »

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Re: National Championship Crew
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2012, 09:48:19 AM »
He knew he was not supposed to tackle him but apparently his instincts to hit something if even remotely legal to do so took over

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2012, 09:53:35 AM »
Crew did great. No dog in the hunt, regarding the teams, but I can't pass this up: The one good thing for LSU is that they have Les Miles to go home than Alabama.

(Forgive me..)

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2012, 10:09:40 AM »
Crew did great. No dog in the hunt, regarding the teams, but I can't pass this up: The one good thing for LSU is that they have Les Miles to go home than Alabama.

(Forgive me..)

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2012, 10:13:09 AM »
There was one play last night that I think Alabama got away with.  I don't have the video and have forgotten when it happened in the game, but it was an LSU screen pass that was incomplete.  I think the Alabama defensive player held the running back not allowing him to make a play on the ball.  Does anyone have that video?  Good play to discuss whether it was a foul or not and mechanics of who could get this.


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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 10:16:07 AM »
There was one play last night that I think Alabama got away with.  I don't have the video and have forgotten when it happened in the game, but it was an LSU screen pass that was incomplete.  I think the Alabama defensive player held the running back not allowing him to make a play on the ball.  Does anyone have that video?  Good play to discuss whether it was a foul or not and mechanics of who could get this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxgqTdlk1GI
Looked like a foul to me.  Good luck with seeing it.  The R was blocked. The U had linemen.  The L was too far away and probably blocked.

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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 10:24:49 AM »
In this formation, double-double, this is the LJ's man.  Very tough to see as he was held on the other side of the ball.  Agree it's a tough play to get.  Sometimes you just got to get lucky. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 11:38:41 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxgqTdlk1GI
Looked like a foul to me.  Good luck with seeing it.  The R was blocked. The U had linemen.  The L was too far away and probably blocked.

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Agreed! Even the good TV people had trouble initially picking up on it, without the benefit of the instant replay camera anyway. It probably would have been called had it been clearly seen. I don't really know if the NFL special 7-man mechanics with the U situated in the offensive backfield alongside the R would have helped in that regard in catching that particular foul. But it's definitely something to think about!   z^

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Re: National Championship Crew
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 12:02:20 PM »
This is exactly the kind of call that would be caught with the NFL alignment.  I spoke to the U before (almost) all of the Falcons home games this year, primarily asking about the move to the backfield.  Every single one of them loves it, says it gives tham a BETTER look at holding calls, and allows them to pick up things like this.  Besides the angle improvement, they say, "We now have time to actually see the whole play, without trying to get out of everyone's way.  In the old position, we would only see part of the play, then have to move, then try to refocus."

It does mean more running for the U as they have to go farther to get to the line and back after spotting the ball, but all of them were willing to run more in order to get out of the way of all of the crossing patterns.  More than one said, "I got real tired of being used as a screen.  The receivers would purposely trying to scrape off us as close as possible in order to screen off the defender."  To a man, they ALL said that the NCAA should make the move, and predicted it will happen soon.

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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2012, 12:10:50 PM »
I know it is changing but the sad reality is there are still too many U's (even at the FCS level) who are just not built for the movement required  in the NFL mechanic.  While I agree the move to it is inevitable, I don't think it will be (or should be) as soon as some think

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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2012, 12:24:21 PM »
While I agree it is useful to discuss the validity of the signal.  Hopefully we all agree there was a foul here, regardless of what you want to call it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Id0aHRtgk

Agreed and I'd call it KCI.....

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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2012, 06:35:55 PM »
My only objection to moving U is this; if I don't have replay to bail me out, I don't want to lose the inside-out look on the short pass over the middle.

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Re: National Championship Crew
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2012, 07:31:48 PM »
Heard today the LSU team bus had a hard time getting out of the Superdome lot after the game. Seems someone painted a 50-yard line in front of it.  ;D
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2012, 08:09:12 PM »
Heard today the LSU team bus had a hard time getting out of the Superdome lot after the game. Seems someone painted a 50-yard line in front of it.  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 09:17:52 PM »
Heard today the LSU team bus had a hard time getting out of the Superdome lot after the game. Seems someone painted a 50-yard line in front of it.  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2012, 01:21:04 PM »
Heard today the LSU team bus had a hard time getting out of the Superdome lot after the game. Seems someone painted a 50-yard line in front of it.  ;D

Ouch!