Football Coaches Evaluations

[TexDoc]

"...there is no effective difference between "mutual agreement" and "hand selected."

I still disagree.  If the officials are assigned, the coaches have a chance to say they agree with the assignment or that they don't.  It says nothing about being able to hand select officials.  And, that was never the intent.  If that were true, then why have chapters that have fought having coaches actually select officials always won the fight when the issue is presented to the UIL?  And it has!  It takes testicular fortitude within the chapters to make the change.

I don't have any problem with coaches being able to scratch a given number of officials, and then they accept all else.  I think that would be a good compromise.  This works both ways as well.  Officials should always be able to scratch coaches/schools/locations. 

[Coby]

Back to the topic.

We should agree that besides another official a coach is probably the most qualified to critique officials.  Yes they can be biased.  Yes they can grind an ax.  It is one of the few sources we have.  What does the State, UIL, local chapter do with the evaluations?  If they do nothing with it why do we keep asking for them? 

[TxSkyBolt]

I never ask for a coach feedback.  Since they seldom know all the rules, spirit of the rules or our mechanics, they are in no position to make meaningful comment.  As in your case, they would be able to comment in how well a crew member interacted with the coach, but that's about it.

[TXMike]

Back to the topic.

We should agree that besides another official a coach is probably the most qualified to critique officials.  Yes they can be biased.  Yes they can grind an ax.  It is one of the few sources we have.  What does the State, UIL, local chapter do with the evaluations?  If they do nothing with it why do we keep asking for them?

The problem is that if we agree, and I think we do, that coaches really don't have a clue when it comes to evaluating us...then why should Chapters take anything they say too seriously?  It cuts both ways.   Even if they say the crew is really great and should be working the State Champ game, who cares?  We do not believe him if he says another crew is the worst on the face of the earth so why believe him about this? 

[blindref757]

After having been on the receiving end of a couple of low ratings this year, I would like to propose that any coach, who submits a failing grade to a crew or crew member, be required to submit film or Hudl access to video of the crew's performance.  No video, the bad rating gets thrown out.

One of the coaches that didn't care for us this year wrote on the evaluation, "The crew missed several calls.  I am not going to submit video because it does me no good.  I just won't use them again."

Wow!  How do we get better...and how do we assure that you just aren't mad and taking it out on us?  That evaluation isn't worth the paper (or electricity) it took to do it.  It just says...you guys stink...that is all...leave me alone.  OK...No Problem!

[mobetta285]

Hudl is a great tool that is under-utilized. I would love to have coaches submit video through Hudl with their evaluations. Unfortunately, I doubt it will ever happen. We can't even get coaches to comment on a couple of plays that they have issues with. One coach has scratched two very good crews because his assistants didn't like something. Eventually, he will end up with the bottom tier of officials in a meaningful game, but that is his prerogative.

[Rulesman]

Hudl is a great tool that is under-utilized.

One reason might be the expense. Hudl isn't free.

[Cowman52]

Don't do crews here, if you take the coaches evaluations, blend in the foul report, and you get a fairly good idea of how the game went. 1 div1 white hat, a d3 hl, and 4s and 5s to finish the crew, plus back judge had 6 of 9 fouls you can bet there were problems. Add that to a avg score of 60 and their evaluation was probably on target.
 5a game, 12 fouls total, 4 false starts, 1 Bbw, 3 offsides, 2holding, and 2 late hit out of bounds and grades are 95 avg from winning coach and 65 from losing coach, you can bet the crew did a pretty decent job.
When 1 official has more than 1/2 the fouls, might be a concern.

[Welpe]

When 1 official has more than 1/2 the fouls, might be a concern.

Or it might be just a crappy game.

[allen]

Saw something new on this weeks evaluation (that being an apology from a coach).

"I apologize for my assistant coach who went beserk last night. It was a professional performance by all five of the crew. Thanks!"

[JasonTX]

Saw something new on this weeks evaluation (that being an apology from a coach).

"I apologize for my assistant coach who went beserk last night. It was a professional performance by all five of the crew. Thanks!"

Don't buy into that.  He probably sees that you guys have his game in 2 weeks and wanted to butter you up.   

[allen]

Lol, we don't. 

However, he is known to be a pretty classy coach by reputation (they made a movie about him if you need a hint), and they did win a close game which may have helped his perspective.

Regardless, that was something new for me to see on an evaluation.

[Coby]

I had my only double header of the season.  Both loosing coaches filled out an evaluation.

This coach lost 49-0.  My only failing report in 3 years and my only non 100 this year.

1   Game Management   R   Coby Rhoden      60   
2   Communication   R   Coby Rhoden      80   
3   Field Presence/Professionalism   R   Coby Rhoden      60   
4   Rules Knowledge   R   Coby Rhoden      60   
5   Mechanics/Position   R   Coby Rhoden      60   
6   Physical Condition/Appearance   R   Coby Rhoden      60


This coach lost 77-0


1   Game Management   R   Coby Rhoden      100   This crew always manages the game in a profeshional manner
2   Communication   R   Coby Rhoden      100   Communication before during
3   Field Presence/Professionalism   R   Coby Rhoden      100   and after the games is always consistant
4   Rules Knowledge   R   Coby Rhoden      100   
5   Mechanics/Position   R   Coby Rhoden      100   
6   Physical Condition/Appearance   R   Coby Rhoden      100   

[Etref]

Coby,

That is exactly why the evaluations are useless.

I have never seen you or your crew work but I am sure you will agree that you did not work a perfect game to receive a perfect score of "100".

Likewise I am sure you and your crew are much better than 60's & 80's. You did not have that bad of a game.

If TASO had the money to have evaluators review game films of crews, it would be a perfect world, but sadly they do not have the time or money to review film of every crew, every week. The coaches are the least likely to give an evaluation regarding mechanics, rules knowledge.

I had one coach downgrade me on "communication" because after his third conference in the game and making up things to complain about I walked away after telling him we had a ball game to play. Most coaches do not take the time to honestly evaluate a crew (even if they had the knowledge to do so.)


Rick

[centexsports]

My question is why are the evaluations converted after submission.   What the coach sees is
 1- excellent
 2 - good
 3 - average
 4 - poor
 5 - unacceptable

What comes to the official is on a 20 to 100 scale.   So when the coach says the crew is average, they see a 60 which in most people's mind is a failing grade.   My crew has had very good ratings this year but the system is confusing.

[allen]

Just to further the point, we've had coaches who gave 0's for communication if the official is not on their sideline. 

[Etref]

My question is why are the evaluations converted after submission.   What the coach sees is
 1- excellent
 2 - good
 3 - average
 4 - poor
 5 - unacceptable

What comes to the official is on a 20 to 100 scale.   So when the coach says the crew is average, they see a 60 which in most people's mind is a failing grade.   My crew has had very good ratings this year but the system is confusing.

I could live with those but not the number grades

[Cowman52]

Most coaches here use 60's straight across,  never been in a 100 game and never saw one.
The one to check out is the 40's if it's the div 5 rookie then use it as such, if the div 2 with 8 yrs experience he is probably the genius that never makes meetings, and 50 lbs overweight.

[Rulesman]

Most coaches here use 60's straight across...

Why even bother?

[JasonTX]

Just to further the point, we've had coaches who gave 0's for communication if the official is not on their sideline.

Start yelling accross the field to communicate and that grade will go up. 

[Welpe]

Why even bother?

Because Coach is King.

[El Macman]

Because Coach is King.

Why?

[Welpe]

You're asking the wrong guy, Welpe is simply pawn in game of life.

[El Macman]

You're asking the wrong guy, Welpe is simply pawn in game of life.

Therein lies the problem. If "coach is king," it is because you/we give him permission. We can remove that permission, if we'll stop just accepting this as being our lot in life, and re-claim our position as an 'equal.'

[Welpe]

I don't give him permission, I don't have that kind of power. It will take a groundswell of movement to change that paradigm and as has been shown to me time and again, officials are looked upon as nothing more than a necessary but unfortunate annoyance. Leadership seems to be content with the status quo. Much like the political climate in this country, the little guy has very little actual voice.