Running play or lose ball play?

[hortod]

This happened last night in a youth league game and we had some disagreement on the enforcement spot.

1st and 10 from A's 49 yrd line.  A drops back to pass and completes a pass to B's 35 yrd line.  After the catch A commits a holding penalty on B's 32 yrd line. The ball ends up dead at B's 29 yrd line. 
 
Ok, two of us wanted to mark it off 10 yards from the spot of the foul since the foul occurred after the catch and so the foul occurred during a running play.  Two other guys wanted to mark it off from the previous spot since it was a foul during a loose ball play. 

And the winner was?

Thanks
 

[Ump33]

Once the pass was caught, the Loose Ball Play ends and the Running Play begins. Foul happened during the Running Play ... enforce from B's 32.

[Roscoe]

Once the pass was caught, the Loose Ball Play ends and the Running Play begins. Foul happened during the Running Play ... enforce from B's 32.

+1

[maven]

Let's be perfectly accurate. Two steps here:

1. Basic spot: as Ump33 says, once the catch is made, the loose ball play is over, and you have a running play. The basic spot for fouls committed during a running play is the end of the run.

2. Enforcement spot: we enforce under all-but-one. This is a foul by the offense behind the basic spot, and that's the one type enforced from the spot of the foul instead of the basic spot.

So yes, we're going back 10 from the B32. A 1/3 @ B42, clock on the ready.

[Atlanta Blue]

Two other guys wanted to mark it off from the previous spot since it was a foul during a loose ball play. 

Find a way to lose these two guys, they are pulling you down!

I'm being a LITTLE faceitious here, but it still might be the right answer.  If this was one of their few mistakes, well, we all make them.  But if they are working youth league games and not understanding pretty basic enforcements, well, it's time for a LOT more studying, or to find a new avocation.

[bbeagle]

Ok, two of us wanted to mark it off 10 yards from the spot of the foul since the foul occurred after the catch and so the foul occurred during a running play.  Two other guys wanted to mark it off from the previous spot since it was a foul during a loose ball play. 

I think one of the confusing aspects that young officials don't understand is the following:
Play: Quarterback A1 drops back to pass, throws the ball in the air and (a) ball is caught by A2 (b) ball is dropped by A2.

Many new officials think BOTH plays are loose ball plays because the ball is 'loose' in the air during the pass. But by the pass being caught in (a), the play turns into a RUNNING PLAY (even though it was a PASS - I know, confusing). and in (b), this is a LOOSE BALL PLAY as the ball ends the play loose.

[Curious]

I think one of the confusing aspects that young officials don't understand is the following:
Play: Quarterback A1 drops back to pass, throws the ball in the air and (a) ball is caught by A2 (b) ball is dropped by A2.

Many new officials think BOTH plays are loose ball plays because the ball is 'loose' in the air during the pass. But by the pass being caught in (a), the play turns into a RUNNING PLAY (even though it was a PASS - I know, confusing). and in (b), this is a LOOSE BALL PLAY as the ball ends the play loose.

I WISH this misconception was limited to "young officials"; but I see/hear about it all the time at all FED levels.  As I said in another post, the key to differentiating between a "loose ball" and a "loose ball play" is that ONLY the run or runs that PRECEDE a legal pass, legal or illegal kick, backward pass or fumble (from behind the LOS and prior to a COP) are part of a loose ball play.  (2-33-1; 10-3-1 Note; 10-6).

In this play, as you and others have properly noted, once the pass is caught or intercepted, the loose ball play ended and a running play began.  As AB "facetiously" pointed out, this IS basic penalty enforcement.

[maven]

Many new officials think BOTH plays are loose ball plays because the ball is 'loose' in the air during the pass. But by the pass being caught in (a), the play turns into a RUNNING PLAY (even though it was a PASS - I know, confusing). and in (b), this is a LOOSE BALL PLAY as the ball ends the play loose.

The highlighted part is misleading. Both plays INCLUDE a loose ball play, but only your play (b) is nothing but a loose ball play.

Many officials fail to understand that a down can involve more than one play: when A83 catches a pass and runs 10 yards, you have BOTH a loose ball play (action before and during the pass) and a running play (action after the catch). A reception does not turn the entire down into a running play.

The basic spot for fouls during the loose ball play (for instance DPI, holding) is the previous spot. The basic spot for fouls during the running play (for instance IBB, live-ball UNR) is the end of the run.

A down may have any number of running plays, but only one loose ball play.

[AFSST]

Well said maven.