NFHS Free Kick play

[EERS80]

Guys here is the situation. K kick the ball off the tee straight in the ground, the ball goes in the air. The ball goes 11 yards and R is in position to receive the kick and K2 wipes him out and K3 recovers. What do we have?

[maven]

K 1/10 at the spot of recovery, clock on the snap.

[bbeagle]

Once the ball hits the ground and has travelled 10 yards (in either order), both K and R have equal right to the ball.

As long as K2 'wiping out' R was not an illegal hit, this play is completely legal. K gets the ball.

[Atlanta Blue]

Under a new NCAA rule this year, R could still call for a fair catch here.  No such rule in FED.

[maven]

Under a new NCAA rule this year, R could still call for a fair catch here.  No such rule in FED.

B can call fair catch on a grounded kick? That seems odd, but perhaps they're trying to protect the receiver on these plays.

[Atlanta Blue]

B can call fair catch on a grounded kick? That seems odd, but perhaps they're trying to protect the receiver on these plays.

New NCAA rule (emphasis mine):

Rule 6-4-1 (FR-66)
Add new paragraph e:
e. During a free kick a player of the receiving team in position
to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection
whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately
driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and
goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off
the tee.This is accompanied by an exception in paragraph a regarding
the kick touching the ground.

[Curious]

New NCAA rule (emphasis mine):

Rule 6-4-1 (FR-66)
Add new paragraph e:
e. During a free kick a player of the receiving team in position
to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection
whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately
driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and
goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off
the tee.This is accompanied by an exception in paragraph a regarding
the kick touching the ground.

I definitely like this rule; and hope the FED will adopt it quickly!

(Why does the NCAA rules-making body always seem to come up with better ideas first?)

[FBUmp]

(Why does the NCAA rules-making body always seem to come up with better ideas first?)

They don't.  Who do you think came up with the rule change concerning helmets coming off first?

[Atlanta Blue]

I definitely like this rule; and hope the FED will adopt it quickly!

(Why does the NCAA rules-making body always seem to come up with better ideas first?)

I hate it and hope the NCAA drops it!

They don't.  Who do you think came up with the rule change concerning helmets coming off first?

Well, given that they both adopted it in the same off season, I'm not sure.  But the NCAA wrote a better rule by not allowing a player whose helmet comes off to continue in the play.  No such rule in the FED version, which was a major mistake.

[Curious]

They don't.  Who do you think came up with the rule change concerning helmets coming off first?

Don't know who did; but kudos to whomever it was.  My guess would be that, if it were the FED, the ingenuity would be the exception rather than the rule...

I hate it and hope the NCAA drops it!

I assume you hate it because you're a "kicker's coach", right?  But I like it from a safety perspective.  It seems that the receivers (other than those on the front line) might not know that the ball had been kicked into the ground and could be subject to injury, at worse, or penalty (illegal fair catch) at best....

Well, given that they both adopted it in the same off season, I'm not sure.  But the NCAA wrote a better rule by not allowing a player whose helmet comes off to continue in the play.  No such rule in the FED version, which was a major mistake.

Totally agree!

[Roscoe]

I'm with Atlanta Blue, I absolutely hate the NCAA rule. It's making on side kicks so much harder than they already are.

[Atlanta Blue]

I assume you hate it because you're a "kicker's coach", right?  But I like it from a safety perspective.  It seems that the receivers (other than those on the front line) might not know that the ball had been kicked into the ground and could be subject to injury, at worse, or penalty (illegal fair catch) at best

Sure I hate it because I coach kickers, but I hate it because it's a rule change made only because kickers found a better way.

Any receiver that doesn't know the ball has bounced has no business being on the field.  It's an incredibly obvious motion by the kicker.  As for safety, not being able to hit the receiver might be one thing, but allowing him to call for a fair catch of a grounded kick gives the receiving team far too much advantage.

[Curious]

Sure I hate it because I coach kickers, but I hate it because it's a rule change made only because kickers found a better way.

Sure, they're just picking on the kickers........

Any receiver that doesn't know the ball has bounced has no business being on the field.  It's an incredibly obvious motion by the kicker.

For a receiver 15-20 yds down field, it may not be so "obvious" - at least in a "non-obvious" on-side kick situation. 

As for safety, not being able to hit the receiver might be one thing, but allowing him to call for a fair catch of a grounded kick gives the receiving team far too much advantage.

Well, maybe, I might see your point here.  That part of the rule I could live without.

[FBUmp]

Don't know who did; but kudos to whomever it was.  My guess would be that, if it were the FED, the ingenuity would be the exception rather than the rule...

Yes, it was the NFHS who made the rule change.  In NC, we tracked helmets coming off during last year's regular season.  The Fed used it to create the new helmet rule.  The NCAA followed suit.

Be careful when you use the word "always."

[Atlanta Blue]

Yes, it was the NFHS who made the rule change.  In NC, we tracked helmets coming off during last year's regular season.  The Fed used it to create the new helmet rule.  The NCAA followed suit.

Be careful when you use the word "always."

The NFHS may well have done it first, I don't know.  But in D1, the NCAA had replay officials tracking it for the past couple of years as well.