40/25 clock....A-B-A

[Ftblref]

1/10 @ 50 yd line. A12 throws an pass, B22 intercepts at the B-40. He runs to the B-45, fumbles and A55 recovers at the B-46. What should the play clock go to? (i know game clock is a wind).

Thanks.

[azsteam]

Change of possession.  25 sec.

[sj_31]

PC will be at 40 sec

You'll only go to 25 if B is awarded a first down regardless of changes of possessions (except for legal kick downs--it will always be 25-sec if there is a legal kick regardless of who is awarded a new series at the end of the down). 3-2-4-c-6, 7.

[El Macman]

1/10 @ 50 yd line. A12 throws an pass, B22 intercepts at the B-40. He runs to the B-45, fumbles and A55 recovers at the B-46. What should the play clock go to? (i know game clock is a wind).

Thanks.

I think I went more than two years without an A-B-A, then had it happen twice in a game at the end of last season. Both times, the PCO set the PC to 25, and waited on me to start the clock. In each case, there was enough field position change at the end of the play, and enough mingling of players, and some level of "what now?" among them and the sideline personnel, that it was simpler to let them, and us, get a little sorted out, then restart the clocks. If the PC had properly been set to 40 and started properly, it would have either expired before the snap, or one team would have had to call a T/O. Since it is a new series for A, neither team gets an advantage by stopping both clocks and starting with a 25 PC, IMHO. 40 is correct, but I think it ought to be changed to 25.

[azsteam]

PC will be at 40 sec

You'll only go to 25 if B is awarded a first down regardless of changes of possessions (except for legal kick downs--it will always be 25-sec if there is a legal kick regardless of who is awarded a new series at the end of the down). 3-2-4-c-6, 7.

You just reference a rule and it states "6. Change of possession" (not if B is awarded a first down).  Since we had a change of possession the play clock would be 25 seconds. 

[VaBackJudge]

That was actually changed in this year's PDF version of the rulebook, and highlighted in blue:

"6. Team B is awarded a first down."

So it seems that the changing of possession isn't the key factor, but whether B will actually snap next, so 40 in this case would be correct.

[Ftblref]

That's what we did. The play clock guy left it at zero, so we had him put it to 40 and wound it.
The revision is also on the online rule book from the CFO site as well.

[azsteam]

That was actually changed in this year's PDF version of the rulebook, and highlighted in blue:

"6. Team B is awarded a first down."

So it seems that the changing of possession isn't the key factor, but whether B will actually snap next, so 40 in this case would be correct.

Thanks for the correction.  Why don't they just print new books every year?

[El Macman]

Thanks for the correction.  Why don't they just print new books every year?

Rookie. 

[Welpe]

Thanks for the correction.  Why don't they just print new books every year?

Because there are only rule changes every 2 years. 

[BankerRef]

I think I went more than two years without an A-B-A, then had it happen twice in a game at the end of last season. Both times, the PCO set the PC to 25, and waited on me to start the clock. In each case, there was enough field position change at the end of the play, and enough mingling of players, and some level of "what now?" among them and the sideline personnel, that it was simpler to let them, and us, get a little sorted out, then restart the clocks. If the PC had properly been set to 40 and started properly, it would have either expired before the snap, or one team would have had to call a T/O. Since it is a new series for A, neither team gets an advantage by stopping both clocks and starting with a 25 PC, IMHO. 40 is correct, but I think it ought to be changed to 25.

Wouldn't you just pump that clock back to 25 if it was under that when everything "sorted out"?

[El Macman]

Wouldn't you just pump that clock back to 25 if it was under that when everything "sorted out"?

Yes, we could, if there is a delay in getting the ball spotted. But, if we get the spotted in routing time, then play should proceed as normal. It would be nice, though, to take the judgment out of this by just deeming this to be a 25-second clock that starts on the RFP signal.