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Offline prab

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Kick Off - Time Out
« on: April 10, 2013, 08:34:25 AM »
I am new to the forum, so please bear with me if this topic has been previously covered.  K1 is ready to kick off and the ready for play whistle has been sounded.  At what point is it too late for R to be granted a time out?  This situation can arise when K switches from a normal kick off formation into an obvious onside attempt formation, after the ready for play whistle has sounded.  Can R be granted a time out right up until K1's foot makes contact with the ball?  If not, when is it "too late"?
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 08:59:45 AM »
Once K began to initiate motion to kick, I would not grant R's time-out request in most instances, particularly if it is the head coach.  While the rules state time out can be called during a dead ball period, it must be legally granted.  To be legally granted, an official must be able to acknowledge that time out has been called.  If K is initiating a free kick play, the officials' attention should be upon their area of repsonsibility.

Unless the R player was directly in your sight and you heard the time out request made, I think the play must go on at that point.

Similar to a wing official- the ball may be dead but if the snap is imminent, I'm not taking my eyes off the LOS to verify if it's the HC calling time-out.
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 11:58:34 AM »
NC, you cannot simply ignore the request because you are concentrating on K, anymore than a wing can ignore a request sometime after the RFP and sometime prior to the snap. You say "Once K began to initiate motion to kick..." Where are you going to draw the line? From the time the kicker begins his approach to the ball, or until he makes contact? Or somewhere in between?
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 08:23:04 AM »
my thought: if we can have DOG for K, why not a TO?
Likewise, do not see why R could not request one too.
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2013, 04:50:30 AM »
Disclaimer: No Fed rules knowledge

They can call a time-out any time until the ball is put in play, right? That would be my assumption, so as long as the ball has not been kicked...
He might go through with the kick anyways if it is really close, but we get that with snaps all the time too, that the ball is snapped just after the timeout is given.
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 11:29:12 AM »
Quote from: James on April 12, 2013, 04:50:30 AM
...They can call a time-out any time until the ball is put in play, right? That would be my assumption, so as long as the ball has not been kicked...
He might go through with the kick anyways if it is really close, but we get that with snaps all the time too, that the ball is snapped just after the timeout is given.
...which was my point to a tee.
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013, 03:03:19 PM »
What's the downside of granting the TO? Refuse to grant the time out, and something bad happens to R on the play-your game will completely go to crap. Just give him the TO. One guys opinion
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 12:20:27 PM »
Quote from: twref on May 04, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
What's the downside of granting the TO? Refuse to grant the time out, and something bad happens to R on the play-your game will completely go to crap. Just give him the TO. One guys opinion

REPLY: And an excellent one at that...you're not putting anyone at a disadvantage granting the TO.

Just as B can call a timeout up until the snap occurs, why can't R do the same on a free kick down up until the kick occurs?
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 01:54:26 PM »
Quote from: twref on May 04, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
What's the downside of granting the TO? Refuse to grant the time out, and something bad happens to R on the play-your game will completely go to crap. Just give him the TO. One guys opinion

I agree completely.  If R wants to blow one of their timeouts on a free kick, that's their prerogative.  Pick your battles.
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Re: Kick Off - Time Out
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 08:57:02 PM »
Time out granted.
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