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Title: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Legacy Zebra on November 11, 2014, 10:24:40 AM
Last year somebody here tracked which chapters worked each game through the playoffs. I wanna say Doc or Mike, but I can't remember. Whoever it was, is it happening again? I enjoyed seeing the stats on different chapters and who worked which games.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: psv on November 11, 2014, 10:52:39 AM
TexDoc did it last year.  Hopefully he will continue his excellent work as I am interested as you.

I know that usually the games are set by Wednesday or so.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on November 11, 2014, 12:36:54 PM
Been doing it since 2003.  First round always takes the longest.  It is about 75% complete.

Anyone from College Station on here?  Or Permian Basin?  It is hard to get info from those two groups.  I also need Houston info when they have it ready. 
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Post by: Etref on November 11, 2014, 01:49:42 PM
Been doing it since 2003.  First round always takes the longest.  It is about 75% complete.

Anyone from College Station on here?  Or Permian Basin?  It is hard to get info from those two groups.  I also need Houston info when they have it ready. 

 tiphat:
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Post by: TexDoc on November 12, 2014, 08:22:12 AM
File is too large to post here so maybe Mike can post on the web somewhere.
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Post by: TexDoc on November 12, 2014, 08:37:55 AM
See if this works.
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Post by: TXMike on November 12, 2014, 08:51:31 AM
Here ya go boys.  Freakin' Doc is a genius!

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Post by: psv on November 12, 2014, 09:31:01 AM
Here ya go boys.  Freakin' Doc is a genius!

indeed
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Post by: copedaddy on November 12, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
where is San Antoino? Did I miss it?
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Post by: TXMike on November 12, 2014, 03:36:25 PM
In gold.  SAT
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Post by: saumpire75 on November 13, 2014, 08:49:49 AM
Thanks Doc. As always, a great job!
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Post by: linesman87 on November 13, 2014, 09:20:11 AM
I click on the link and the same page pops up. Am I doing something wrong?
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Post by: linesman87 on November 13, 2014, 09:21:57 AM
I got it. My Bad
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Post by: clearwall on November 14, 2014, 11:46:36 AM
Noticed one small error...Dallas has 1 3AD1, not 3AD2. Brock/Bangs
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Post by: SD_Casey on November 14, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
My Goodness.

I just looked at your bracket file.

SO. MUCH. FOOTBALL.

I might need to start trying to sell the wife on moving to the Promised Land.

 pray:; pray:;

We have 7 classes and our playoffs start in the round of 16.  I can't even fathom the logistics of getting your playoffs done.

Good luck to everyone tonight!  I'm already done for the year so I'll be sitting here at home drinking coffee and bitterly cursing all of you.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Etref on November 14, 2014, 04:15:01 PM
My Goodness.

I just looked at your bracket file.

SO. MUCH. FOOTBALL.

I might need to start trying to sell the wife on moving to the Promised Land.

 pray:; pray:;

We have 7 classes and our playoffs start in the round of 16.  I can't even fathom the logistics of getting your playoffs done.

Good luck to everyone tonight!  I'm already done for the year so I'll be sitting here at home drinking coffee and bitterly cursing all of you.

Come on down, we will find a place for you.   yEs:
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: JasonTX on November 15, 2014, 04:47:05 PM
Come on down, we will find a place for you.   yEs:

And some of these chapters will even find you a job and pay for you to relocate.   ;D
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: SD_Casey on November 16, 2014, 08:34:07 AM
Don't tempt me.

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/16/4811d032bf2844c100b90b1af0f09b4a.jpg)
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: clearwall on November 16, 2014, 08:58:12 AM
Oh wow, that looks gorgeous. I want some snow...
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: NewChristopher on November 17, 2014, 07:30:33 AM
When will round two be posted?
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Post by: TexDoc on November 17, 2014, 08:17:18 AM
Tomorrow most likely
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Post by: mobetta285 on November 17, 2014, 12:31:12 PM
Doc, as always, I appreciate you doing this for us.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on November 18, 2014, 12:18:20 PM
There are a few that I had to make assumptions on this week, so they may be in error.
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Post by: copedaddy on November 18, 2014, 02:10:02 PM
great work Doc. Anyway you could post the excel file?
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Post by: psv on November 18, 2014, 02:38:50 PM
Thanks DOC!
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Post by: txboy79 on November 18, 2014, 02:41:15 PM
CSC has Georgetown Eastview vs. Kerrville Tivy
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on November 18, 2014, 03:36:15 PM
great work Doc. Anyway you could post the excel file?

File is too large to post here but I can email it to you.
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Post by: TexDoc on November 18, 2014, 03:41:45 PM
CSC has Georgetown Eastview vs. Kerrville Tivy

Thanks.  Made the change.
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Post by: JarMan69 on November 19, 2014, 12:02:42 PM
Class A (Six Man) Division one, it should be Campbell instead of Chester.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: SA_Zebra on November 19, 2014, 03:20:53 PM
Iowa Park/Venus game was moved to Collins Stad. in Denton, and will be played Thursday night.
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Post by: GrayMatter on November 20, 2014, 12:33:00 PM
3A Div 1 Mineola v Commerce should be FTW, not CSC
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Post by: Joe Stack on November 20, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
You might have fixed it, but in the first week's spreadsheet file, the "totals" still listed 5A as being the top class with "6 man" still listed as well. Just FYI.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on November 21, 2014, 08:31:39 AM
Got it fixed.  So many games, so little time...
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on November 25, 2014, 08:07:45 AM
Updated. 
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Post by: JarMan69 on November 25, 2014, 10:56:50 AM
3A D2, should be Howe instead of Hughes Springs.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on November 25, 2014, 12:47:08 PM
3A D2, should be Howe instead of Hughes Springs.

Thanks.  I probably got the score backwards.  The spreadsheet is set up to automatically advance the winner to the next line and increase their win amount.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 02, 2014, 08:32:39 AM
Week 4 complete.  Let me know if you notice any errors.
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Post by: bossman72 on December 02, 2014, 09:42:46 AM
Holy crap!!!  So many teams!!!!  Does EVERYBODY make playoffs in Texas?  haha.  How many games is your regular season?
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Post by: mishatx on December 02, 2014, 09:55:48 AM
10 games in 11 weeks.

And someone will do the math but it's a bit more than 1/2 the teams make the playoffs.
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Post by: Magician on December 02, 2014, 11:12:09 AM
Indiana has an all-in tournament so every everyone makes it. We have around 320 football playing schools which I'm sure is much smaller than Texas, but it results in 6 rounds of playoffs in most classes. They play 9 regular season games so the teams in the championship games usually play 15 games.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TXMike on December 02, 2014, 11:42:26 AM
10 games in 11 weeks.

And someone will do the math but it's a bit more than 1/2 the teams make the playoffs.
sounds right. 4 teams go to playoffs  in ea district in all classes except the smallest 2. Mist districts have 8 or fewer teams . Next year even the 2a schools will send 4 teams.  Only the 1a (6 man football) will still have less than 4 in ea district go to playoffs
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 03, 2014, 05:31:52 AM
The number of schools at the top, 6A and 5A, grow every year with the opening of new schools in large metro areas.  Also, some smaller schools that historically have not played football are coming on-board with football.  So, the overall number of schools increases by 5 or more each year, mostly at the top, causing the smaller divisions to grow as well, since the population line increases for each division every two years.  More teams in the playoffs is fine.  That just means more game opportunities for us, although first round games are typically not very competitive.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Headlinesman on December 03, 2014, 08:53:24 AM
Doc, although the game is at the Palace, I don't believe Austin has the Temple-Richmond game. Thanks for all your hard work in putting this together for us. You're the best!
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: JarMan69 on December 03, 2014, 09:29:22 AM
Doc, any clues on which chapters are working the TAAPS State Finals in Corsicana and Zepher this weekend??
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Etref on December 03, 2014, 10:55:47 AM
Tyler has Corsicana (Trinity Christian and League City)
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Post by: backjudge85 on December 03, 2014, 11:26:48 AM
Fort Worth is also going to Corsicana for one of the games.  Plano Prestonwood vs Bishop Dunne.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: DonM on December 03, 2014, 11:58:46 AM
Abilene has the one in Zephyr -- SA v Waco
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 03, 2014, 01:02:41 PM
Doc, any clues on which chapters are working the TAAPS State Finals in Corsicana and Zepher this weekend??

Looks like you got the answer.  One of these years I will track those as well.

Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 03, 2014, 01:03:32 PM
Doc, although the game is at the Palace, I don't believe Austin has the Temple-Richmond game. Thanks for all your hard work in putting this together for us. You're the best!

You're probably right, but I haven't seen it on anyone else's list.  I'll double check.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 03, 2014, 01:05:52 PM
Doc, although the game is at the Palace, I don't believe Austin has the Temple-Richmond game. Thanks for all your hard work in putting this together for us. You're the best!

Checked everywhere.  If it isn't Austin's then it would have to be College Station or Permain.
Title: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Hondo on December 03, 2014, 03:58:47 PM
South Plains has Parish Episcopal vs Dallas Christian
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Post by: Cowman52 on December 03, 2014, 05:41:52 PM
San Angelo has the dII skis man game,  throckmorton vs Calvert.


Thanks for your work Doc
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Post by: senkirikbk on December 03, 2014, 10:08:36 PM
Pecan Valley has two of the three TAPPS Six Man State Championship games in Zephyr this weekend.
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Post by: dcs07 on December 03, 2014, 11:39:59 PM
Doc, any clues on which chapters are working the TAAPS State Finals in Corsicana and Zepher this weekend??
Summarizing the last few posts for TAPPS.

11-man @Corsicana
D1: Fort Worth (7:00 Friday)
D2: South Plains (7:00 Saturday)
D3: Tyler (12:00 Saturday)

6-man @Zephyr
D1: Pecan Valley (7:00 Friday)
D2: Abilene (12:00 Saturday)
D3: Pecan Valley (6:00 Saturday)

Since we're talking TAPPS and I don't get many opportunities for these 2 of my interests to come together. The rest of Dallas Christian's officials in these playoffs.
Round 1-Dallas Christian vs. Fort Bend Christian: Dallas
Round 2-Dallas Christian vs. Houston Lutheran South: College Station (and they got to come back Monday too)
Semis-Dallas Christian vs. Tyler T.K. Gorman: Waco
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Welpe on December 04, 2014, 10:03:12 AM
Pecan Valley has two of the three TAPPS Six Man State Championship games in Zephyr this weekend.

When are you all going to share the TAPPS love with Houston?  ;D We have several crews that work TAPPS all season long and would love a shot at working a playoff game.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Headlinesman on December 04, 2014, 10:20:04 AM
Congratulations to all of you working this weekend. I hope you all have great games and safe travel. What a GREAT time of the year!
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Post by: Coby on December 04, 2014, 12:36:07 PM
Houston and a 6man UIL football playoff game is the longest (last time used) streak of chapter and classification in the state.  It has never happened and we probably call 30% of the 6man games in the state during the regular season.  Houston has also not called a TAPPS championship game in over 20 years.

Just Sayin

 :sTiR:
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 04, 2014, 01:02:25 PM
Congratulations to all of you working this weekend. I hope you all have great games and safe travel. What a GREAT time of the year!

I'm very grateful to be working, that's for sure. 
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 04, 2014, 01:04:35 PM
Houston and a 6man UIL football playoff game is the longest (last time used) streak of chapter and classification in the state.  It has never happened and we probably call 30% of the 6man games in the state during the regular season.  Houston has also not called a TAPPS championship game in over 20 years.

Just Sayin

 :sTiR:

Coby, I'm not sure I follow.  Houston call 30% of the UIL six man games in the regular season?  Not sure if that's what you meant but it sure doesn't sound right.  Most six man schools are north of Austin.  I can think of maybe two that aren't.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Welpe on December 04, 2014, 02:26:54 PM
Coby, I'm not sure I follow.  Houston call 30% of the UIL six man games in the regular season?  Not sure if that's what you meant but it sure doesn't sound right.  Most six man schools are north of Austin.  I can think of maybe two that aren't.

No, he's saying we cover 30% of the total six man games played in the state. All of our six man games are private schools but there are a plethora of them that we cover.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 04, 2014, 03:03:12 PM
No, he's saying we cover 30% of the total six man games played in the state. All of our six man games are private schools but there are a plethora of them that we cover.

Now that, I believe!!!

 :) tiphat:
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Coby on December 04, 2014, 03:03:52 PM
What Welpe said.
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Post by: JasonTX on December 04, 2014, 09:16:30 PM
I'll make a trade with you.  If we get the sixman championship we'll trade that for the 6A championship.  You guys can break your streak and we'll break our streak as well.   yEs:
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Post by: Welpe on December 05, 2014, 09:57:04 AM
I'll make a trade with you.  If we get the sixman championship we'll trade that for the 6A championship.  You guys can break your streak and we'll break our streak as well.   yEs:

Fine by me. Houston could stand to use some fresh faces in the playoffs anyways.  :sTiR:
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Post by: TXMike on December 05, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
Do you have any guys who meet the minimum weight requirement , I.e at least 250
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Post by: 940AC on December 05, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
Do you have any guys who meet the minimum weight requirement , I.e at least 250

Now that comment made my day!
 LOL

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Post by: DonM on December 05, 2014, 12:47:09 PM
Well, dad-gummit, that would eliminate me, if I were still calling.
When I had to retire, my eating habits stayed the same & I ballooned up.
Decided I HAD to do something & lost 35#.
I'm now under 200 for the first time since the mid-60s.
 ;D
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: panhandleref on December 09, 2014, 09:54:16 AM
Any new updates on brackets?
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Post by: TexDoc on December 09, 2014, 12:05:29 PM
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Post by: backjudge85 on December 09, 2014, 12:55:04 PM
Houston has the WOS-Sinton game confirmed.
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Post by: TexDoc on December 09, 2014, 02:40:07 PM
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Post by: JDM on December 09, 2014, 03:24:43 PM
Houston has Blanco vs. Newton
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Post by: TexDoc on December 10, 2014, 07:16:29 AM
Still looking for who is doing Seagraves/Albany.  I think it is Permian, but I have not verified yet.
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Post by: Wingmanbp on December 10, 2014, 08:14:28 AM
The Sonora vs Waskom game is being played in Glen Rose not UNT.
Thanks again for this info!
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Post by: fencewire on December 10, 2014, 08:17:29 AM
seagraves/albany is PBC.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Getting Fat on December 12, 2014, 01:28:49 PM
Maybe we will have less games to fight over:

http://kxan.com/2014/12/12/lawmaker-too-many-texas-schools-make-playoffs/
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TXMike on December 12, 2014, 01:34:35 PM
Will not make it far.   Like most bills, will die silently
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Post by: Getting Fat on December 12, 2014, 01:37:06 PM
Agreed.  I am curious who put the bug in his ear though
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Post by: TexDoc on December 12, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
Maybe we will have less games to fight over:

http://kxan.com/2014/12/12/lawmaker-too-many-texas-schools-make-playoffs/

I don't understand his motivation. 
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 12, 2014, 03:14:51 PM
One game changed chapters and filled in the one I wasn't sure of.  This should be fairly accurate.
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Post by: TXMike on December 12, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
Assuming he is being honest his motivation appears to be constituent rural districts who fear the added expense.  Perhaps for smaller schools playoffs are not automatically a money maker
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Post by: txboy79 on December 14, 2014, 09:49:33 PM
Tyler has yet another 6A championship game. What does that chapter keep doing to get the biggest games every championship week!
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: fencewire on December 14, 2014, 09:53:02 PM
Tyler has yet another 6A championship game. What does that chapter keep doing to get the biggest games every championship week!

See this thread...

http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=11555.0
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: txboy79 on December 14, 2014, 10:19:33 PM
See this thread...

http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=11555.0

From what I got Tyler was going to have 3 games and that Thursday crew was going to do Allen game, but Austin now has Allen game
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TXMike on December 15, 2014, 07:47:06 AM
That Chapter has had 1 6A and 1 5A game the entire playoff season.  Apparently that is the formula...make sure you do not work the schools in the early weeks of the playoffs so you are then eligible for the Champ week.   ;D
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: cmarrufo on December 15, 2014, 08:42:30 AM
Try this URL

 http://permianbasinofficials.com/crews.htm
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: txboy79 on December 15, 2014, 09:20:18 AM
Not tying to steal txdoc job but this was sent to me by a friend who is an assigning secretary in a smaller chapter.

Allen/cy ranch Austin
Cedar hill/Katy Tyler
Aledo/trample Houston
Cedar park/Ennis Dallas
Navasota/argyle Houston
West orange stark/gilmer houston
Minneola/ Cameron Houston
Waskom/Newton Tyler
Canadian/mason Fort Worth
Albany/bremond don't know

At least 4 straight years Tyler has had 2 games.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: BankerRef on December 15, 2014, 09:28:52 AM
At least 4 straight years Tyler has had 2 games.
Every year since 2008
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Post by: TexDoc on December 15, 2014, 10:12:11 AM
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Post by: linesman87 on December 15, 2014, 10:49:21 AM
Best of Luck to everyone this coming Weekend. Make us all PROUD
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Post by: Txgarza on December 15, 2014, 11:06:35 AM
Is it the same crew from Tyler that has done the previous state championships? Why why why?
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: txboy79 on December 15, 2014, 11:09:46 AM
A crew gets to do 2 state championships in the same year and has done a state championship for how many years now.  Rutherford is loved by coaches apparently.  Absolutely absurd for one crew to do all those games.  If I was a member of the Tyler chapter and in the top however many crews, I'd quit and move to East Texas or something.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TXMike on December 15, 2014, 11:10:40 AM
That is a question the Tyler guys should be asking.   If they don't care then why should we?
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Post by: BankerRef on December 15, 2014, 11:15:17 AM
Is it the same crew from Tyler that has done the previous state championships? Why why why?
The why is pretty easy.  Reputation that leads to coach's request.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: copedaddy on December 15, 2014, 11:30:29 AM
Hey Doc who has the San Antonio game???
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Post by: TexDoc on December 15, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
Hey Doc who has the San Antonio game???

No idea.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: bossman72 on December 15, 2014, 01:47:33 PM
10 games in 11 weeks.

And someone will do the math but it's a bit more than 1/2 the teams make the playoffs.


Actually, now that I think about it, PA has a similar amount of teams if you count district playoffs.  There are 16 teams in each classification that make the playoffs in our district, so it works out to be the same.  9 or 10 game regular season depending on where you live
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: BankerRef on December 15, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
Absolutely absurd for one crew to do all those games.  If I was a member of the Tyler chapter and in the top however many crews, I'd quit and move to East Texas or something.
Perception does not necessarily equal reality.  Almost 20% of the active current membership in Tyler has title game experience with most of those having worked multiple games.  The fact is that the top "however many crews" all realize that in any given year they have a good shot because they are in Tyler.  It doesn't happen every year for every crew but at least it does happen.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: txboy79 on December 15, 2014, 04:55:20 PM
Perception does not necessarily equal reality.  Almost 20% of the active current membership in Tyler has title game experience with most of those having worked multiple games.  The fact is that the top "however many crews" all realize that in any given year they have a good shot because they are in Tyler.  It doesn't happen every year for every crew but at least it does happen.

I agree with you and know others in that chapter have had the experience...but how many state championships has Kyle Rutherford had now???  Congrats to the guy, but it just leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth I'm sure.  He's racking up the games.  This will be at least number 5 and 6.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Etref on December 15, 2014, 06:19:38 PM
Probably closer to 10, he worked several as a wing official prior to moving to R
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: JasonTX on December 15, 2014, 10:03:31 PM
Have you guys not figured it out yet.  These coach like deep sea fishing.  Charter a boat for them and you might just get a game.   :sTiR:
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 15, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
A crew gets to do 2 state championships in the same year and has done a state championship for how many years now.  Rutherford is loved by coaches apparently.  Absolutely absurd for one crew to do all those games.  If I was a member of the Tyler chapter and in the top however many crews, I'd quit and move to East Texas or something.
Wow, the amount of crying in this thread is crazy. Instead of complaining about how games someone has worked, you should take that time to actually improve your own game. If you don't like the system, then do something about it(something other than whining on a website). "OMG, why does he get so many more games than me?"
Haters gon hate
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 16, 2014, 12:42:19 AM
Wow, the amount of crying in this thread is crazy. Instead of complaining about how games someone has worked, you should take that time to actually improve your own game. If you don't like the system, then do something about it(something other than whining on a website). "OMG, why does he get so many more games than me?"
Haters gon hate

That is absolutely crap.  I call a huge B. S. on that statement.  How could you posibly say that without an objective evaluation system.  I've watched these supposed  "great crews" and come away not at all impressed.   Unfortunately, our system lands itself more to salesmanship than any semblance of quality.   I've never met a coach that can pick a better crew than a good evaluator.   I'm not "hating" on anyone and take offense to that statement.  The bottom line is our system is completely screwed up.  One obvious question to prove it is why don't college and pro level coaches get to choose officials?  BECAUSE IT IS A VERY OBVIOUS CONFLICT OF INTEREST!   If anyone cannot see that then they must just be a good salesman, and maybe not a very good official.  Show me some objective proof that a crew is better than another  or take your haters gon hate jack wagon statement and place it where the rest of your excrement secretes from your salesmanship.  Does your "do something about it" include things considered unethical?   Really, think about how stupid of a statement you just made is concerning do something about it.  Being a great official and in shape really has very little to do with it.  Being a slick salesman has and perhaps playing unethical games does.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: txboy79 on December 16, 2014, 01:21:59 AM
That is absolutely crap.  I call a huge B. S. on that statement.  How could you posibly say that without an objective evaluation system.  I've watched these supposed  "great crews" and come away not at all impressed.   Unfortunately, our system lands itself more to salesmanship than any semblance of quality.   I've never met a coach that can pick a better crew than a good evaluator.   I'm not "hating" on anyone and take offense to that statement.  The bottom line is our system is completely screwed up.  One obvious question to prove it is why don't college and pro level coaches get to choose officials?  BECAUSE IT IS A VERY OBVIOUS CONFLICT OF INTEREST!   If anyone cannot see that then they must just be a good salesman, and maybe not a very good official.  Show me some objective proof that a crew is better than another  or take your haters gon hate jack wagon statement and place it where the rest of your excrement secretes from your salesmanship.  Does your "do something about it" include things considered unethical?   Really, think about how stupid of a statement you just made is concerning do something about it.  Being a great official and in shape really has very little to do with it.  Being a slick salesman has and perhaps playing unethical games does.

Wow thanks txdoc great response. And just to add for Houston ref, I'm always working on my game. I actually worked 5 playoff games this year at the 4a and 5a level and I myself was chosen by my chapter at the age of 29 to be the referee for a state championship game in the past. So call it hating if you want but that's not what I call it.

We all want to get better and have more games. That should never be questioned.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TXMike on December 16, 2014, 04:31:58 AM
... Instead of complaining about how games someone has worked, you should take that time to actually improve your own game. ....
You opened the door so expect to see some folks charging through it...
Not sure this thread will stay up much longer because the hypersensitive will complain to the board gestapo and get it taken down because we are starting to get too personal....but here goes...
Maybe it is true in YOUR Chapter that the "best" are the ones working this weekend (although I suspect there are quite a few folks in H-town who would disagree with that) but that is certainly not the case in all Chapters.  Often games come into the chapter with various assignment caveats:
1 - Must not be any official who has worked either team this season
2 - Must not  be any official who has ever worked either team in a State Championship
3 - Must be officials who have worked at least 1 previous State Championship game,
etc etc etc
The Chapter either meets the demands or gives the game back.  By meeting the demands they may be ruling out "better" officials.

The assumption that because someone expresses dissatisfaction with current assignment policies simply means they do not want to make the effort required to get better is terribly flawed.  I know many guys who spend countless hours in the book, watching video, going to clinics, and meeting in study groups, but who are not even getting 3d or 4th round playoff games.  I have seen many of them on video and talked to them about football. I know they are "better" officials than some guys who have worked the later round games and even some who are working this weekend. 

I just got done watching a past championship game.   There was an intentional grounding enforced with loss of down AND penalty yardage.  Not once was the clock wind signal given on a kickoff.  A blatant OPI that resulted in a TD was not flagged despite 2 officials looking right at the action.  I really doubt those were the best officials in THAT Chapter. 

I watched a 5th round game this year where there were 2 different kick plays, 1 was a kickoff and 1 was a punt. In both cases the crew flagged Team A for some minor infraction (5 yard penalty) and in both cases the crew did not give Team B the option of the 5 yard tack on.  Were they the best officials in that Chapter? I certainly hope not. 

Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 08:52:18 AM
Boy79, you literally said it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that this Ruth fellow gets so many state championships. The system must be flawed if you didn't get a state final. I mean your own chapter made you a R at the age of 29.

TxDoc, this was obviously not directed at you because you said nothing other than listing the assignments. Not sure why you immediately went to doing something "unethical" in response to "do something about it." That statement meant, if you don't like the system then run for office and "do something" to hopefully correct this issue. But most people are too lazy and/or really don't care about improving TASO football except after they find out they didn't get picked for a game.

Personally, I don't think coaches should have any say in who works their games other than maybe a couple scratches . But I have made no effort to run for office and/or correct the issue so I'm not gonna whine about it.

 
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 16, 2014, 09:18:20 AM
This is where you are very, very far off-base:

"Instead of complaining about how games someone has worked, you should take that time to actually improve your own game"

You are inferring that the people getting picked for certain games have done something above and beyond those that have not, and that those guys need to improve.  Utterly ridiculous.  My point, succinctly, is that if we as officials have to be liked (picked), through salesmanship of one's self, networking, schmoozing, etc, then how does one affect change in those regards?  Because I can guarantee you that there are a lot of guys that work very, very hard and are very deserving that will never see a championship game.  It isn't because they need to improve their skills on the field as much as they need to improve their ability to be liked by coaches. 

Qualify for me how you say a crew or official should improve?  Your inference is that those working this week are the best.  Really? 

We do agree on the coaches picks.  It is just insane that we let that happen.

I've said on this board before, the requirement from the UIL is NOT that we let coaches pick.  What it says is that the coaches must mutually agree on the assignments.  Somehow, over the years, that was bastardized into a mindset that the coaches have a right to pick.  They don't!  We, as chapters, simply allow it.  The UIL will never get rid of that requirement.  Maybe this is more a TASO fight, since it really is in our hands.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 16, 2014, 09:20:21 AM
UIL 1204 (a):  AGREEMENT. All officials must be satisfactory to both parties and agreed upon in advance. However, beginning a game with an official constitutes agreement.

Nowhere does it say the coaches have a right to pick.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 09:31:25 AM
You can interpret it however you want.

Since y'all are doing so much to get better and improve maybe y'all will make it to D1 college football and won't have to worry about any of this. 

But also, no matter how much effort you put in, sometimes you may just have to realize you're not very good. It happens to the best of us...well maybe not the best of us.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 16, 2014, 11:19:10 AM
But also, no matter how much effort you put in, sometimes you may just have to realize you're not very good. It happens to the best of us...well maybe not the best of us.

And who, exactly, measures if an official is good?  Coaches?  Sure thing, because they know all the rules and mechanics quite well, don't they?

Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
And who, exactly, measures if an official is good?  Coaches?  Sure thing, because they know all the rules and mechanics quite well, don't they?
NCAA conference supervisors
Local chapter board members
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 16, 2014, 11:43:40 AM
Well good thing those are the ones doing the assigning instead of coaches!💩
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 11:54:45 AM
2 out of the 3 games Houston is working this weekend are board assignments.  ^TD
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Joe Stack on December 16, 2014, 01:19:48 PM
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Must be officials who have worked at least 1 previous State Championship game

Won't be anyone available at some point.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TXMike on December 16, 2014, 01:27:39 PM
Hopefully that was an anomaly that does not get repeated.  Any of youse guys who work multiple sports including any where UIL is more involved with the selections know if they typically make such a demand in the other sports?
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: txboy79 on December 16, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
I mean your own chapter made you a R at the age of 29.

So 29 year olds aren't qualified for state championships?  Even when they have 10 years experience with multiple upper classification assignments?  One that had already become a D2 official based on the number of games worked at the subvarsity/varsity/and playoff level?  One who had paid to travel to two college clinics and get more experience?  Don't just look at age and disqualify people. 

I'm well aware there are people who have been officiating much longer than I have that definitely have done plenty to get the chance to work deep in the playoffs as well.

It's obvious you are just here to ruffle feathers, so I'm done talking to you HoustonRef.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: clearwall on December 16, 2014, 01:57:39 PM
txboy, you must not get it. The only good officials are old and grey. No one else qualifies for classification in the 'best officials' club unless you've been in the game for 30 years.


...and people wonder why we cant keep or recruit young guys...
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 03:34:01 PM
So 29 year olds aren't qualified for state championships?  Even when they have 10 years experience with multiple upper classification assignments?  One that had already become a D2 official based on the number of games worked at the subvarsity/varsity/and playoff level?  One who had paid to travel to two college clinics and get more experience?  Don't just look at age and disqualify people. 

I'm well aware there are people who have been officiating much longer than I have that definitely have done plenty to get the chance to work deep in the playoffs as well.

It's obvious you are just here to ruffle feathers, so I'm done talking to you HoustonRef.
I do not need to try to "ruffle any feathers" here, they have been ruffled every since you didn't get a state final and Ruth did. I will however call someone out for crying like a little girl. Age has nothing to do with it, I was working college ball before I was 25. I was joking that the pick system was obviously flawed because someone as great as yourself did not get picked. But thanks for sharing your lackluster resume.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: williebe on December 16, 2014, 03:39:36 PM
So HoustonRef, looks like you do a fair amount of Friday night football, so with that being said you yourself havn't made it to D1 yet. But keep trying and good luck sir.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 03:43:59 PM
So HoustonRef, looks like you do a fair amount of Friday night football, so with that being said you yourself havn't made it to D1 yet. But keep trying and good luck sir.
Made D1 years ago. Doesn't mean much though, many D4s are better than D1s.

Or were talking about D1 college ball? Because I'm there too.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: williebe on December 16, 2014, 03:59:59 PM
HoustonRef i was refering to making D1 college football official, i apoligize for not making this clear.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 04:01:10 PM
HoustonRef i was refering to making D1 college football official, i apoligize for not making this clear.
It's ok, no worries.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TexDoc on December 16, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
HoustonRef = troll w multle logins.  Please ban. 
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 09:09:21 PM
HoustonRef = troll w multle logins.  Please ban.
Not trolling, just voicing my opinion. Multiple logins?? I'm HoustonRef 100%

Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Welpe on December 17, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
2 out of the 3 games Houston is working this weekend are board assignments.  ^TD

That and a dollar...
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: JarMan69 on December 17, 2014, 11:08:27 AM
TXMike, can you email me the completed spreadsheet, I know you had said in the past it was to large to put on the web page. Thank you for all you do!!
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: TXMike on December 17, 2014, 11:17:29 AM
In the interests of full disclosure and placing blame where it rightfully belongs, that is Doc's creation.  I am just a messenger.

Doc, can you help a brutha out?
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Coby on December 17, 2014, 12:15:14 PM
I mean your own chapter made you a R at the age of 29.

I have been an R in Houston Chapter since I was 26.  What does age have to do with anything?  Have had the youngest crew for past 10 years, Have been youngest white hat for 8/10 of those years.  Two of the people on my crew that started off with me have worked 5 State Championship games.  The system still needs to change.  It will be interesting over next 15 years.  Welpe and JasonTX will help me change it.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 17, 2014, 12:20:56 PM
I have been an R in Houston Chapter since I was 26.  What does age have to do with anything?  Have had the youngest crew for past 10 years, Have been youngest white hat for 8/10 of those years.  Two of the people on my crew that started off with me have worked 5 State Championship games.  The system still needs to change.  It will be interesting over next 15 years.  Welpe and JasonTX will help me change it.
Coby, go back to working on HUDL. You obviously didn't read my entire post. It was sarcasm. "The system must be flawed if you didn't get selected for a state final. I mean, your own chapter made you a R at the age of 29." He is obviously a truly great official since he was asked to be a R at 29 and felt the need to share.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: Coby on December 17, 2014, 12:47:46 PM
I would go back to HUDL if anyone in the chapter gave a crap about any of the results it shows.  You would think they would review the quarter final games and send the best crew from those games worked. Sorry I missed the Sarcasm I should have read the original post.
Title: Re: Playoff Brackets
Post by: HoustonRef on December 17, 2014, 12:49:09 PM
All good bro, just jacking with you.