Author Topic: Playoff Brackets (Read 116514 times)

JasonTX · « **Reply #100 on:** December 15, 2014, 10:03:31 PM »

Have you guys not figured it out yet. These coach like deep sea fishing. Charter a boat for them and you might just get a game.

HoustonRef · « **Reply #101 on:** December 15, 2014, 10:49:39 PM »

Quote from: txboy79 on December 15, 2014, 11:09:46 AM

A crew gets to do 2 state championships in the same year and has done a state championship for how many years now. Rutherford is loved by coaches apparently. Absolutely absurd for one crew to do all those games. If I was a member of the Tyler chapter and in the top however many crews, I'd quit and move to East Texas or something.

Wow, the amount of crying in this thread is crazy. Instead of complaining about how games someone has worked, you should take that time to actually improve your own game. If you don't like the system, then do something about it(something other than whining on a website). "OMG, why does he get so many more games than me?"
Haters gon hate

TexDoc · « **Reply #102 on:** December 16, 2014, 12:42:19 AM »

Quote from: HoustonRef on December 15, 2014, 10:49:39 PM

Wow, the amount of crying in this thread is crazy. Instead of complaining about how games someone has worked, you should take that time to actually improve your own game. If you don't like the system, then do something about it(something other than whining on a website). "OMG, why does he get so many more games than me?"
Haters gon hate

That is absolutely crap. I call a huge B. S. on that statement. How could you posibly say that without an objective evaluation system. I've watched these supposed "great crews" and come away not at all impressed. Unfortunately, our system lands itself more to salesmanship than any semblance of quality. I've never met a coach that can pick a better crew than a good evaluator. I'm not "hating" on anyone and take offense to that statement. The bottom line is our system is completely screwed up. One obvious question to prove it is why don't college and pro level coaches get to choose officials? BECAUSE IT IS A VERY OBVIOUS CONFLICT OF INTEREST! If anyone cannot see that then they must just be a good salesman, and maybe not a very good official. Show me some objective proof that a crew is better than another or take your haters gon hate jack wagon statement and place it where the rest of your excrement secretes from your salesmanship. Does your "do something about it" include things considered unethical? Really, think about how stupid of a statement you just made is concerning do something about it. Being a great official and in shape really has very little to do with it. Being a slick salesman has and perhaps playing unethical games does.

txboy79 · « **Reply #103 on:** December 16, 2014, 01:21:59 AM »

Quote from: TexDoc on December 16, 2014, 12:42:19 AM

That is absolutely crap. I call a huge B. S. on that statement. How could you posibly say that without an objective evaluation system. I've watched these supposed "great crews" and come away not at all impressed. Unfortunately, our system lands itself more to salesmanship than any semblance of quality. I've never met a coach that can pick a better crew than a good evaluator. I'm not "hating" on anyone and take offense to that statement. The bottom line is our system is completely screwed up. One obvious question to prove it is why don't college and pro level coaches get to choose officials? BECAUSE IT IS A VERY OBVIOUS CONFLICT OF INTEREST! If anyone cannot see that then they must just be a good salesman, and maybe not a very good official. Show me some objective proof that a crew is better than another or take your haters gon hate jack wagon statement and place it where the rest of your excrement secretes from your salesmanship. Does your "do something about it" include things considered unethical? Really, think about how stupid of a statement you just made is concerning do something about it. Being a great official and in shape really has very little to do with it. Being a slick salesman has and perhaps playing unethical games does.

Wow thanks txdoc great response. And just to add for Houston ref, I'm always working on my game. I actually worked 5 playoff games this year at the 4a and 5a level and I myself was chosen by my chapter at the age of 29 to be the referee for a state championship game in the past. So call it hating if you want but that's not what I call it.

We all want to get better and have more games. That should never be questioned.

TXMike · « **Reply #104 on:** December 16, 2014, 04:31:58 AM »

Quote from: HoustonRef on December 15, 2014, 10:49:39 PM

... Instead of complaining about how games someone has worked, you should take that time to actually improve your own game. ....

You opened the door so expect to see some folks charging through it...
Not sure this thread will stay up much longer because the hypersensitive will complain to the board gestapo and get it taken down because we are starting to get too personal....but here goes...
Maybe it is true in YOUR Chapter that the "best" are the ones working this weekend (although I suspect there are quite a few folks in H-town who would disagree with that) but that is certainly not the case in all Chapters. Often games come into the chapter with various assignment caveats:
1 - Must not be any official who has worked either team this season
2 - Must not be any official who has ever worked either team in a State Championship
3 - Must be officials who have worked at least 1 previous State Championship game,
etc etc etc
The Chapter either meets the demands or gives the game back. By meeting the demands they may be ruling out "better" officials.

The assumption that because someone expresses dissatisfaction with current assignment policies simply means they do not want to make the effort required to get better is terribly flawed. I know many guys who spend countless hours in the book, watching video, going to clinics, and meeting in study groups, but who are not even getting 3d or 4th round playoff games. I have seen many of them on video and talked to them about football. I know they are "better" officials than some guys who have worked the later round games and even some who are working this weekend.

I just got done watching a past championship game. There was an intentional grounding enforced with loss of down AND penalty yardage. Not once was the clock wind signal given on a kickoff. A blatant OPI that resulted in a TD was not flagged despite 2 officials looking right at the action. I really doubt those were the best officials in THAT Chapter.

I watched a 5th round game this year where there were 2 different kick plays, 1 was a kickoff and 1 was a punt. In both cases the crew flagged Team A for some minor infraction (5 yard penalty) and in both cases the crew did not give Team B the option of the 5 yard tack on. Were they the best officials in that Chapter? I certainly hope not.

HoustonRef · « **Reply #105 on:** December 16, 2014, 08:52:18 AM »

Boy79, you literally said it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that this Ruth fellow gets so many state championships. The system must be flawed if you didn't get a state final. I mean your own chapter made you a R at the age of 29.

TxDoc, this was obviously not directed at you because you said nothing other than listing the assignments. Not sure why you immediately went to doing something "unethical" in response to "do something about it." That statement meant, if you don't like the system then run for office and "do something" to hopefully correct this issue. But most people are too lazy and/or really don't care about improving TASO football except after they find out they didn't get picked for a game.

Personally, I don't think coaches should have any say in who works their games other than maybe a couple scratches . But I have made no effort to run for office and/or correct the issue so I'm not gonna whine about it.

TexDoc · « **Reply #106 on:** December 16, 2014, 09:18:20 AM »

This is where you are very, very far off-base:

"Instead of complaining about how games someone has worked, you should take that time to actually improve your own game"

You are inferring that the people getting picked for certain games have done something above and beyond those that have not, and that those guys need to improve. Utterly ridiculous. My point, succinctly, is that if we as officials have to be liked (picked), through salesmanship of one's self, networking, schmoozing, etc, then how does one affect change in those regards? Because I can guarantee you that there are a lot of guys that work very, very hard and are very deserving that will never see a championship game. It isn't because they need to improve their skills on the field as much as they need to improve their ability to be liked by coaches.

Qualify for me how you say a crew or official should improve? Your inference is that those working this week are the best. Really?

We do agree on the coaches picks. It is just insane that we let that happen.

I've said on this board before, the requirement from the UIL is NOT that we let coaches pick. What it says is that the coaches must mutually agree on the assignments. Somehow, over the years, that was bastardized into a mindset that the coaches have a right to pick. They don't! We, as chapters, simply allow it. The UIL will never get rid of that requirement. Maybe this is more a TASO fight, since it really is in our hands.

TexDoc · « **Reply #107 on:** December 16, 2014, 09:20:21 AM »

UIL 1204 (a): AGREEMENT. All officials must be satisfactory to both parties and agreed upon in advance. However, beginning a game with an official constitutes agreement.

Nowhere does it say the coaches have a right to pick.

HoustonRef · « **Reply #108 on:** December 16, 2014, 09:31:25 AM »

You can interpret it however you want.

Since y'all are doing so much to get better and improve maybe y'all will make it to D1 college football and won't have to worry about any of this.

But also, no matter how much effort you put in, sometimes you may just have to realize you're not very good. It happens to the best of us...well maybe not the best of us.

TexDoc · « **Reply #109 on:** December 16, 2014, 11:19:10 AM »

Quote from: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 09:31:25 AM

But also, no matter how much effort you put in, sometimes you may just have to realize you're not very good. It happens to the best of us...well maybe not the best of us.

And who, exactly, measures if an official is good? Coaches? Sure thing, because they know all the rules and mechanics quite well, don't they?

HoustonRef · « **Reply #110 on:** December 16, 2014, 11:22:16 AM »

Quote from: TexDoc on December 16, 2014, 11:19:10 AM

And who, exactly, measures if an official is good? Coaches? Sure thing, because they know all the rules and mechanics quite well, don't they?

NCAA conference supervisors
Local chapter board members

TexDoc · « **Reply #111 on:** December 16, 2014, 11:43:40 AM »

Well good thing those are the ones doing the assigning instead of coaches!💩

HoustonRef · « **Reply #112 on:** December 16, 2014, 11:54:45 AM »

2 out of the 3 games Houston is working this weekend are board assignments.

Joe Stack · « **Reply #113 on:** December 16, 2014, 01:19:48 PM »

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Must be officials who have worked at least 1 previous State Championship game

Won't be anyone available at some point.

TXMike · « **Reply #114 on:** December 16, 2014, 01:27:39 PM »

Hopefully that was an anomaly that does not get repeated. Any of youse guys who work multiple sports including any where UIL is more involved with the selections know if they typically make such a demand in the other sports?

txboy79 · « **Reply #115 on:** December 16, 2014, 01:52:40 PM »

Quote from: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 08:52:18 AM

I mean your own chapter made you a R at the age of 29.

So 29 year olds aren't qualified for state championships? Even when they have 10 years experience with multiple upper classification assignments? One that had already become a D2 official based on the number of games worked at the subvarsity/varsity/and playoff level? One who had paid to travel to two college clinics and get more experience? Don't just look at age and disqualify people.

I'm well aware there are people who have been officiating much longer than I have that definitely have done plenty to get the chance to work deep in the playoffs as well.

It's obvious you are just here to ruffle feathers, so I'm done talking to you HoustonRef.

clearwall · « **Reply #116 on:** December 16, 2014, 01:57:39 PM »

txboy, you must not get it. The only good officials are old and grey. No one else qualifies for classification in the 'best officials' club unless you've been in the game for 30 years.

...and people wonder why we cant keep or recruit young guys...

HoustonRef · « **Reply #117 on:** December 16, 2014, 03:34:01 PM »

Quote from: txboy79 on December 16, 2014, 01:52:40 PM

So 29 year olds aren't qualified for state championships? Even when they have 10 years experience with multiple upper classification assignments? One that had already become a D2 official based on the number of games worked at the subvarsity/varsity/and playoff level? One who had paid to travel to two college clinics and get more experience? Don't just look at age and disqualify people.

I'm well aware there are people who have been officiating much longer than I have that definitely have done plenty to get the chance to work deep in the playoffs as well.

It's obvious you are just here to ruffle feathers, so I'm done talking to you HoustonRef.

I do not need to try to "ruffle any feathers" here, they have been ruffled every since you didn't get a state final and Ruth did. I will however call someone out for crying like a little girl. Age has nothing to do with it, I was working college ball before I was 25. I was joking that the pick system was obviously flawed because someone as great as yourself did not get picked. But thanks for sharing your lackluster resume.

williebe · « **Reply #118 on:** December 16, 2014, 03:39:36 PM »

So HoustonRef, looks like you do a fair amount of Friday night football, so with that being said you yourself havn't made it to D1 yet. But keep trying and good luck sir.

HoustonRef · « **Reply #119 on:** December 16, 2014, 03:43:59 PM »

Quote from: williebe on December 16, 2014, 03:39:36 PM

So HoustonRef, looks like you do a fair amount of Friday night football, so with that being said you yourself havn't made it to D1 yet. But keep trying and good luck sir.

Made D1 years ago. Doesn't mean much though, many D4s are better than D1s.

Or were talking about D1 college ball? Because I'm there too.