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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: TxSkyBolt on November 01, 2010, 09:21:27 AM
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Has anybody seen these yet? Our chapter doesn't have them yet.
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I complained about the lack of these last week in our chapter meeting. It was a pet peeve of mine when I was chapter secretary that these forms never seemed to come out until way too late in the season to give the greatest chance of significant numbers of members turning them in on time. The fact that these forms in this computer age are not available until the end of the season, when back in early SFOA days they were included as paper forms in the state meeting packet, gives a speck of credence to those who put TASO down. Why give those types any club with which to slam TASO?
More to your point, our chapter prez e-mailed Fitch, who replied that he hoped to get the season summary forms out to the chapter secretaries by the middle of this week. Hope all members have computers so the secretaries can spread them by e-mail or other electronic means, as we have already held our last chapter meeting.
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Who needs forms this early? ;D We still have 6 more weeks of games left. eAt&
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Why do you even need them? According to ornery there will not be a TASO any more and UIL don't care squat about points. pi1eOn
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Who needs forms this early? ;D We still have 6 more weeks of games left. eAt&
Maybe for the Big Dawgs. ;) Roundball is already on my horizon.
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Who needs forms this early? ;D We still have 6 more weeks of games left. eAt&
Like the way you are thinking Jason!
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Like the way you are thinking Jason!
If you have 30 points in varisty now you can not claim the rest from playoffs so yeah you kinda do need a form. ;)
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If you have 30 points in varisty now you can not claim the rest from playoffs so yeah you kinda do need a form. ;)
Perhaps for the jr. high playoffs? What, you mean they don't do jr. high playoffs? From all the yelling that goes on at these games, I assumed each of them were playing for a spot in the Super Bowl. ;D
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I heard there will be no restrictions on Varsity/College game points this year,ie 19 Varsity Games = 38 Points
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I heard there will be no restrictions on Varsity/College game points this year,ie 19 Varsity Games = 38 Points
That is the way it reads on the form. http://www.safootballchapter.us/2010Points.pdf
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Any of you Division I's have any extra points you're not using? I'm closing in on Division 3 but not quite there yet. ;D
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Any of you Division I's have any extra points you're not using? I'm closing in on Division 3 but not quite there yet. ;D
Have to save up my points until I join the 1,000 point club. Getting closer year by year.
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That is the way it reads on the form. http://www.safootballchapter.us/2010Points.pdf
I left behind an arse load of points the last 4 years due to all my extra JUCO and play off games. Damn I wish they had this all a long. I am sure other guys are in same boat.
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Welpe,
Under 1204 you can buy my points at $12 per, up to a total of $1200 to help your cause. This transaction must take place before November 11, which is the scheduled date for the next ruling in the saga "Days of our TASO life".
I also have left quite a few points behind because of the limitations, while watching others get 30 points for driving to a state meeting. Always made me think you can go a long way without having to ever wash your knickers.
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First year is a while we haven't gotten a bump for going to state meeting. I guess Dallas is too easy.
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I've got 1300+ points. I will sell 600 points to the highest bidder.
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Welpe,
Under 1204 you can buy my points at $12 per, up to a total of $1200 to help your cause. This transaction must take place before November 11, which is the scheduled date for the next ruling in the saga "Days of our TASO life".
I also have left quite a few points behind because of the limitations, while watching others get 30 points for driving to a state meeting. Always made me think you can go a long way without having to ever wash your knickers.
Take a check? >:D
I was kind of hoping for some bonus points for the state meeting but at least I maxed out my education points.
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That and the 3-4 years where we did not really keep our points when we had the "approved, registered" system. We had to reconstruct after the fact. But oh well, such is life.
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How can you get past years information if you do not have it. I am missing year 1996 when I first started out in Abilene. I have tried contacting them for this information with no luck. I still have my SFOA card but no record of the games done that year.
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That and the 3-4 years where we did not really keep our points when we had the "approved, registered" system. We had to reconstruct after the fact. But oh well, such is life.
Ha ha , I remember that. I still kept a game log and record of test scores, and clinics.
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One thing I learned a long time ago was to keep good records. I have a binder with every year-end report I've ever turned in, and the list of games done. I also keep a spreadsheet of every game I've ever worked, the score (for varsity) and who I worked it with. Every Monday I enter the data from the previous week.
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I think the point that needs to be made here is why do we do this on paper every year? How hard is it to create a google document to turn this in on? Speaking of google documents. I put this one together first off for a class I am taking, secondly because I may need a new person on my crew soon, and third I am interested in the data. If you get a chance look at it and add comments in the comments section on what other questions to ask? I am trying to determine factors that develop crew effectiveness. https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDVDR3hqQ0puWDYyQkFwNHJvYXNpdWc6MQ
If anyone would like access to the results then PM me.
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I think the point that needs to be made here is why do we do this on paper every year?
I do see some benefit of having this filled out by the individual member, turning into the chapter, and then to state, but how hard would it be to have this where the local chapter could get a "report" of what was entered to enter locally into ZW etc, the same reason that TASO is still using the intra-focus website, even though it was supposed to "go away" after the testing this year and I would guess it will still be there next year. Technology is not our friend.
Having to call someone or send an email to reset a pw on a web site... ^no
and that is just a start...
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I think there is a concern, and a valid one, that the reports may not be completely accurate should the officials turn them in directly to the state. My chapter, this year, is not even allowing us to fill in the points on the form. They will pull our game reports from Arbiter and the division reps will fill out the game points. That tells you how much distrust there is allowing officials to self report. But, that's something that is a lot more prevalent in the present chapter than the one I was in a few years ago.
What bothers me with this scenario is that I'm supposed to sign the blank report before turning it in. I would have thought my signature is what confirmed that what I was reporting is accurate.
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I think the point that needs to be made here is why do we do this on paper every year? How hard is it to create a google document to turn this in on? Speaking of google documents. I put this one together first off for a class I am taking, secondly because I may need a new person on my crew soon, and third I am interested in the data. If you get a chance look at it and add comments in the comments section on what other questions to ask? I am trying to determine factors that develop crew effectiveness. https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDVDR3hqQ0puWDYyQkFwNHJvYXNpdWc6MQ
If anyone would like access to the results then PM me.
Like it or not, our organization is not made up of a sufficient number of folks who are computer literate enough or who have sufficient computer access that this can be done electronically. I am all for "digitizing" where possible but this paper form is pretty freaking simple so I don't see what efficiencies are gained by replacing it with an internet-based form.
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What bothers me with this scenario is that I'm supposed to sign the blank report before turning it in. I would have thought my signature is what confirmed that what I was reporting is accurate.
I know at least 1 guy who will NOT be turning in an incomplete form. He appreciates the offer to help him fill it out but he feels confident he can gather and report the data just fine on his own.
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I know at least 1 guy who will NOT be turning in an incomplete form. He appreciates the offer to help him fill it out but he feels confident he can gather and report the data just fine on his own.
That makes two of us. It isn't like I need more points or anything.
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I think the point that needs to be made here is why do we do this on paper every year? How hard is it to create a google document to turn this in on? Speaking of google documents. I put this one together first off for a class I am taking, secondly because I may need a new person on my crew soon, and third I am interested in the data. If you get a chance look at it and add comments in the comments section on what other questions to ask? I am trying to determine factors that develop crew effectiveness. https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDVDR3hqQ0puWDYyQkFwNHJvYXNpdWc6MQ
If anyone would like access to the results then PM me.
Done. Will you be sharing this with other crew chiefs as well?
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Eventually.... I hope that this takes off but you can only give them so much at a time. You know my suggestion put on a white hat and start your own crew.
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I hear you. I would love to but the chapter requirement to be a Division 2 to start a crew is a bit of a roadblock right now.
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Let me preface this by saying, I am sure I am the only person who feels this way. However, I was disappointed to see that nothing was awarded for attendance of the state meeting. I have been to the last three state meetings and felt that the Abilene meeting was the best of the three. The meeting at McAllen was certainly not worth the drive and expense. At least McAllen awarded those who attended. Arlington was certainly more accessible, but still involved some expense and no reward. I think that if TASO would drop the coaches' thing and have the afternoon sessions in the morning, they were good, but you were limited as to time how many you could attend. Again, I know I am the only person that feels this way, but our chapter had only a few attend Arlington and most of those left early. If you are wasting your money and time, the regional clinic seems to be the way to go, but that is just me. I would think that TASO would want to have more people attend the state meeting and not less.
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The state meeting programs need to be reviewed stringently in my opinion. Now with the TASO canned power points and such it almost makes more sense to not attend State but a regional clinic. You save a lot more time and money. So the State meeting has to have something that differentiates itself from the information at a regional clinic. So somtheing beyond that information needs to be done or shared. Example video presentations and review might be better. Just thoughts.
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Let me preface this by saying, I am sure I am the only person who feels this way. However, I was disappointed to see that nothing was awarded for attendance of the state meeting. I have been to the last three state meetings and felt that the Abilene meeting was the best of the three. The meeting at McAllen was certainly not worth the drive and expense. At least McAllen awarded those who attended. Arlington was certainly more accessible, but still involved some expense and no reward. I think that if TASO would drop the coaches' thing and have the afternoon sessions in the morning, they were good, but you were limited as to time how many you could attend. Again, I know I am the only person that feels this way, but our chapter had only a few attend Arlington and most of those left early. If you are wasting your money and time, the regional clinic seems to be the way to go, but that is just me. I would think that TASO would want to have more people attend the state meeting and not less.
I agree with you 100% - I'll also add that the way many in my chapter encouraged new officials to go to the state meeting was the points bonus. Now that this is out of the question, my recommendation will be to attend local training only - it's easy to max out on training points without the added expense of a state meeting. And for those of you who will say the points bonus should not be a factor, and they don't wash their knickers, and they should attend for the training and expect no bonus - that's not reality. In this economy, with the added expense of beginning this avocation, the points bonus was the only thing to encourage them.
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Bonus points should NOT be the motivation for going. We (TASO) ought to put a product out there that is reward itself for folks to attend. I know some folks have become increasingly disillusioned about the state meeting over the past years and the challenge will be to get them back as well as to keep those who have continued going (assuming the 2011 board decides to continue with the plan to hold a state meeting in SA next year). I have some ideas that I will be sharing with Cooper and if any of them are adopted i think folks are going to be presently surprised at some of the content.
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I realize the points should not be a reason, but you are correct, the current format and topics are waste of time. Set up computers and have the blog posted, much better. I will be hesitant to waste time going to SA unless something changes. Like that is going to matter. Ha
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No trip to SA should be considered a waste of time. I bet if all the significant others out there hear it is going to be in SA there will be lots of y'all making your way here.
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Bonus points should NOT be the motivation for going. We (TASO) ought to put a product out there that is reward itself for folks to attend. I know some folks have become increasingly disillusioned about the state meeting over the past years and the challenge will be to get them back as well as to keep those who have continued going (assuming the 2011 board decides to continue with the plan to hold a state meeting in SA next year). I have some ideas that I will be sharing with Cooper and if any of them are adopted i think folks are going to be presently surprised at some of the content.
Is one of them Lingerie League Football officiating mechanics with on-field practice? I'm there!
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Is one of them Lingerie League Football officiating mechanics with on-field practice? I'm there!
OK - that would probably work better for the new guys. : ^TD
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Hopefully, we will get away from some of the non-productive sessions (coach expectations) at the state meeting. We need to go back to break outs by position, passing, kicking, enforcement, etc.
I have made my thoughts known to the ED and the new board members as I hope all others will.