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Title: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Rulesman on July 03, 2012, 10:43:05 AM
The Division II Football Committee approved making a passing test on the annual rules exam a requirement for postseason assignment.  This will be a 50-question test and the passing score is 90 percent.  The 2012 NCAA DII Football National Rules Test is open book and may be taken twice.  The test will be released on the CFO Central Hub TESTING Tab on July 16 and will close on August 28.

As with the 2012 CFO exam, let's try to keep all discussion for this test in one thread.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Sonofanump on July 05, 2012, 08:26:06 AM
It is out.  Same questions from first test, different answers.  Random selection of those questions.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: fencewire on July 05, 2012, 09:05:20 AM
and it's gone...  it was showing as a pending test, now it is not on the Testing page at all, at least on my account.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: TxSkyBolt on July 05, 2012, 09:06:49 AM
I just looked....didn't see it there/
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Sonofanump on July 05, 2012, 09:34:01 AM
I took it and missed two questions, which did not make sense since I have a 100% key from taking the first test.  I took it again when I got a question that did not have a correct answer.  I think it was not to be taken yet and needs tweaked before we take it.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: fencewire on July 05, 2012, 11:31:17 AM
now it is back, but no download to PDF option... yet
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: robref68 on July 05, 2012, 12:24:56 PM
It is out.  Same questions from first test, different answers.  Random selection of those questions.

Where is the answer key for the CFO 100 questions?
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: El Macman on July 05, 2012, 03:38:17 PM
The testing period doesn't end until 8/28, so I wouldn't hold my breath before then.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: robref68 on July 05, 2012, 04:05:35 PM
Ok but what do you have already? I will post what I have. I've done through 70.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Sonofanump on July 05, 2012, 04:45:38 PM
Where is the answer key for the CFO 100 questions?

In my notebook.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: El Macman on July 05, 2012, 05:03:32 PM
Ok but what do you have already? I will post what I have. I've done through 70.

IMHO, the value of the exam is in taking the whole thing and submitting it for grade, then discussing specific questions to which you either don't know the answer, or got graded incorrect and don't understand why, etc. That's how we learn. Well, that's how I learn. It ain't about scoring 100, because, you should be able to do that in no more than three tries, since they tell you which ones you get wrong.

If you have a specific question, fire away.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Rulesman on July 05, 2012, 05:58:15 PM
Robref68 has made 3 posts to date and all 3 revolve around someone else providing the answers to the 2012 CFO exam. We're watching...
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: robref68 on July 05, 2012, 06:01:40 PM
Thanks "big brother" for watching......... :bOW
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Rulesman on July 05, 2012, 08:14:43 PM
Thanks "big brother" for watching......... :bOW
Point being everyone here looks to learn from each other, and while no one begrudges another looking for help, you've not presented yourself in such a manner, nor have you provided the first item of information others can use. You've been registered for 5 years and your first posts are "gimme, gimme, gimme."  This is not a place where you are going to get something for nothing. If you've worked the first 70 questions, surely you have something constructive to offer.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Hanging Judge on July 06, 2012, 07:25:52 AM
Did anyone get a copy of it before it was taken down? or do we need to just wait till the 16th?   I completed the CFO test  aWaRd and was looking to start on this one now.

Thanks men!
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: fencewire on July 06, 2012, 08:38:15 AM
while it was up there wasn't the ability to download a PDF version like on the full CFO test, so I didn't even look at it yet.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Sonofanump on July 06, 2012, 10:43:37 AM
Did anyone get a copy of it before it was taken down? or do we need to just wait till the 16th?   I completed the CFO test  aWaRd and was looking to start on this one now.

Thanks men!

Then you already have what was posted.  It was a random 50 questions from the D1 test (minus replay questions).
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: ljudge on July 08, 2012, 08:23:31 AM
Thanks "big brother" for watching......... :bOW

REALLY???  Rulesman has offered some excellent advice for you.  You should use these forums as a learning tool and discuss some situations on the test.  That is one way we can learn and hear different perspectives.  If you simply post your answers for others to read or obtain answer keys you have not helped the game of college football nor have you helped the officials who you simply gave answers to.  In fact, you have set both back!  I don't mean to be a snarky preacher here but you need to think if this practice will help you (and others) become better and perform on the field. 
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Rulesman on July 08, 2012, 12:09:10 PM
REALLY???  Rulesman has offered some excellent advice for you.  You should use these forums as a learning tool and discuss some situations on the test.  That is one way we can learn and hear different perspectives.  If you simply post your answers for others to read or obtain answer keys you have not helped the game of college football nor have you helped the officials who you simply gave answers to.  In fact, you have set both back!  I don't mean to be a snarky preacher here but you need to think if this practice will help you (and others) become better and perform on the field.
+1
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: clearwall on July 09, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
IMHO, the value of the exam is in taking the whole thing and submitting it for grade, then discussing specific questions to which you either don't know the answer, or got graded incorrect and don't understand why, etc. That's how we learn. Well, that's how I learn. It ain't about scoring 100, because, you should be able to do that in no more than three tries, since they tell you which ones you get wrong.

If you have a specific question, fire away.

I would ask for answer keys only because I dont have a way to submit the tests for grades. I usually take the .docs or .pdfs that yall post, take the tests and wait for answer keys to see how I did.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: TxSkyBolt on July 09, 2012, 03:59:18 PM
I would ask for answer keys only because I dont have a way to submit the tests for grades. I usually take the .docs or .pdfs that yall post, take the tests and wait for answer keys to see how I did.

+1
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: ftbref on July 16, 2012, 10:13:14 AM
Has anyone been able to download the DII test?
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: Razor on July 16, 2012, 08:09:36 PM
I just checked and it still was available.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: TxSkyBolt on July 17, 2012, 07:22:11 AM
It too bad the CFO can't do a better job of double checking their answer key.  Here's an example of one I "missed" while taking the test last night:

Question #1

On a kickoff from the A-35, a Team A player starts his approach from the A-28 and is not offside when the ball is legally kicked. The kick goes through the end zone for a touchback.

a. B, 1/10 @ B-25 or re-kick from the A-30.

b. B, 1/10 @ B-30 or re-kick from the A-30.

c. B, 1/10 @ B-20 or re-kick from the A-30.

I answered B and got it wrong.  Key says correct answer is c.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: TxSkyBolt on July 17, 2012, 07:28:42 AM
And another example:

Question #25

A, 2/8 @ B-30... On a legal forward pass behind the neutral zone, the Team A receiver is about to catch the pass when he is pushed by the defender. The pass falls incomplete.

a. A, 1/10 @ B-20

b. A, 1/10 @ B-15

c. A, 3/8 @ B-30
Answer key says A is the correct answer.

Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: TxSkyBolt on July 17, 2012, 09:42:04 AM
Retaking the test and came across this one....help :)

Retaking the NCAA DIV II test and I'm stumped



Question #43

Kickoff @ A-35… Team A is offside on the on-side kick attempt. A Team A player muffs the kick at the A-43 and Team B recovers at the A-45.
a.B, 1/10 @ A48
b.Re-kick from A-30; only option.
c.B, 1/10 @ 50
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: fencewire on July 17, 2012, 09:59:54 AM
of those answers, there is only one option that would work... 
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: TxSkyBolt on July 17, 2012, 10:03:29 AM
but with the words "only option" that answer is incorrect as well. hEaDbAnG
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: fencewire on July 17, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
this is true...   ^flag
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: fencewire on July 17, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
did the dII test disappear for everyone else?  I had gone about 1/3 through and saved last night, now it is gone...
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: TxSkyBolt on July 17, 2012, 11:51:22 AM
I took it again this morning and saved and exited.  Now when I go back in, neither it nor the previous results are there.  I had sent them an email this morning complaining about the key errors I found, so maybe they took it down to check that out.

Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: TxSkyBolt on July 17, 2012, 12:58:15 PM
Just got an email reply....they are working on correcting the key.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: fencewire on July 17, 2012, 01:59:08 PM
it's baaaack...
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: jimbulger on July 19, 2012, 10:17:21 PM
I'm taking it Monday if it has no replay questions I should do ok.  Tats the majority of what I missed on the CFO
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: robref68 on July 22, 2012, 03:05:12 PM
Retaking the test and came across this one....help :)
You are so right about this question.. I put the obvious answer (re-kick from A-30 only option) and this showed up as question 41 on my test and got it wrong... atleast my total score was a 94 on this and a 92 on the 100 question test.....
Retaking the NCAA DIV II test and I'm stumped



Question #43

Kickoff @ A-35… Team A is offside on the on-side kick attempt. A Team A player muffs the kick at the A-43 and Team B recovers at the A-45.
a.B, 1/10 @ A48
b.Re-kick from A-30; only option.
c.B, 1/10 @ 50
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: JasonTX on July 22, 2012, 03:14:38 PM

It appears whoever wrote this test was trying to see who was paying attention with which 45 yard line we are on.  A quick glance at the question I can see how someone not being alert would select answer "C".  They may have been too sneaky and put that as the "correct" answer in the key.
Title: Re: 2012 NCAA D-II Football National Rules Test
Post by: robref68 on July 23, 2012, 09:12:56 AM
Jason, you just might be right????  because on the 100 question test the correct answer  B. (which I believed to be)  but it was omitted on this one (the DII exam)?? A being offsides on a KO is a live ball foul (NCAA rules) and B has options.
PENALTY [a-g] - Live-ball foul. Five yards from the previous spot, or five yards from the spot where the subsequent dead ball belongs to Team B, or from the spot where the ball is placed after a touchback [S18 or S19] (A.R. 6.1.2-VI).


92.Kickoff @ A-35… Team A is offside on the on-side kick attempt.  A Team A player muffs the kick at the A-43 andTeam B recovers at the A-45.
A. Re-kick from A-30; only option.
B. B, 1/10 @ 40
C. B, 1/10 @ A38