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Texas Topics / Latest TASO Off-Season 5-question quiz
« Last post by ElvisLives on Today at 12:29:06 AM »
Latest TASO off-season quiz. Tell me where I screwed up. I am uploading these at 12:29 am CDST.
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1.   A 1/10 @ B-32. QB A12’s pass is intercepted by B32 and returned for 12 yds where he is tackled inbounds. B10 was offside on the play.
Ruling: A, 1/5, B-27, ready (25).
The 5-yard penalty for B10’s Offside foul is penalized at the previous spot. Since Team B will not next snap the ball, and there is no other reason for the game clock to start on the snap, the game clock will start on the referee’s signal. Due to the penalty completion the play clock is set to 25-seconds and will start on the referee’s signal.
 
2.   A F/K @ A-20. A37 kicks the ball to the B-13. During the kick, B8 makes a brief wave below his shoulder at the B-10. The ball bounces, followed by B8 possessing the ball at the B-8.
Ruling: B, 1/10, B-8, snap (25).
B8’s waving arm motion is an invalid fair catch signal, which causes the ball to become dead when possessed by any player. Since the legally kicked ball was recovered by a Team B player after a signal was made by a teammate, Team B will put the ball in play at the yard line where it was recovered (B-8), at the lateral spot of the recovery, if between the hash marks, or at the nearest hash mark if recovered in a side zone. Because of the legal kick down, the play clock is set to 25-seconds, and will start on the referee’s signal, and the game clock will start on the snap.

3.   A 1/10 @ A-45. From a shotgun formation, A10 takes the snap and rolls to his left. As he approaches the A-45, both of A10’s feet are beyond the A-45, but no other part of his body or the ball has crossed the LOS. A10 then retreats to A-44.5 and throws a forward pass to A16 near the sideline at the B-23. The pass falls incomplete.
Ruling: A, 2/10, A-45, snap (40, automatic).
A10’s pass is legal, because A10’s entire body, and the ball, remained behind the neutral zone before the pass was thrown. Because of the incomplete forward pass, the game clock will start on the snap. The play clock is 40-seconds and is started when the ball becomes dead with the incomplete pass.
(Personal commentary: This is a BS question. If a ball carrier has BOTH feet across the neutral zone, it would be almost impossible for his entire body and the ball, in his possession, to NOT, also, be beyond the neutral zone.)

4.   A 1/10 @ A-42. A8 takes the snap and hands off to A5 who runs to the A-46 where he is tackled. During the run, B64 is flagged for holding.
Ruling: A, 1/10, B-44, ready (25).
The 10-yard penalty for B64’s Defensive Holding foul is penalized per 3&1 from the Basic Spot, which is the end of the related run (A-46), taking the ball to the B-44, with a first down by penalty. Because of the penalty completion, the play clock is set to 25-sconds, and (on the assumption that the ball became dead inbounds) both clocks will start on the referee’s signal.

5.   A 2/20 @ A-15. A2 takes the snap at the A-11 and hands off to A21 who runs to the A-30 where he is tackled. During the run, A6 blocks B4 while he is out of bounds at the A-40.
Ruling: A, 2/20, A-15, ready (25), OR, A, 3/5, A-30, ready (25).
The 15-yard penalty for A6’s Illegal Block for blocking an opponent, when both he and the opponent are out of bounds, is penalized per 3&1 at the Basic Spot, which is the end of the related run (A-30), taking the ball to the A-15, where the down will be repeated. Because of the penalty completion, the play clock is set to 25-sconds, and (on the assumption that the ball became dead inbounds) both clocks will start on the referee’s signal; OR
Alternatively, Team B may elect to decline the penalty for A6’s Illegal Block, and Team A will snap the ball at the dead-ball spot, and the down number will advance to 3rd down. Because of the penalty completion, the play clock is set to 25-sconds, and (on the assumption that the ball became dead inbounds) both clocks will start on the referee’s signal.
 

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by Ralph Damren on Yesterday at 12:16:01 PM »
We New Englanders well remember the huge comeback in the Super bowl vs the Falcons to win in OT. With only seconds remaining in regulation ,the Pats made a FC at their own 39 . It was later mentioned that they could have FKed for a 71 yard field goal BUT IF MISSED the Falcons would take possession at the spot of the missed kick. Coach B musta' thought that thru  :bOW.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by peterparsons on Yesterday at 11:29:51 AM »
So, thinking it would have to be a Valid fair catch signal given as well, (no other invalid signals given by any other player included) since the rule defines a catch after an invalid signal is not a fair catch.
And will, by interpretation, a valid fair catch signal given but the receiver was illegally contacted before an unimpeded opportunity to catch the kick (KCI) allow this kick?

NFL rules (which I also work in Europe) allow a Fair Catch Kick after an awarded fair catch (which is given if the receiver is fouled) as well as an actual completed fair catch. I'd guess that the NCAA implementation will be similar (even if the wording is different). I don't know if NFHS is any different to NFL as that's the one rule set I don't have to worry about.

In the NFL, a Fair Catch Kick is a field goal attempt from an onside kick formation (so either a held place kick or a drop kick, no tee allowed). Scrimmage kick rules apply.

I have seen one live. There was an unsuccessful attempt in the 2019 game in London between the Panthers and the Bucs at the end of the first half.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by Ralph Damren on Yesterday at 10:20:45 AM »
I had a veteran coach ask me once if a player was stupid enough to call for a fair catch at HIS 1 yard liner, could he than free kick from there in lieu of running 3 plays and then punting from his own end zone . You may have some coaches at the NCAA level that may think 'outside the box' on this. TxJim is reminding us of the NFL FK=FG that us made last year after such a KCI call ^flag ^talk
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by TxJim on Yesterday at 10:08:26 AM »
So, thinking it would have to be a Valid fair catch signal given as well, (no other invalid signals given by any other player included) since the rule defines a catch after an invalid signal is not a fair catch.
And will, by interpretation, a valid fair catch signal given but the receiver was illegally contacted before an unimpeded opportunity to catch the kick (KCI) allow this kick?
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by Etref on Yesterday at 09:44:58 AM »
And the first one of us that has a Fair Catch Kick, get video and upload a link to it. Taking bets on how long it will take to see one.  ;D
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Just because you said it…… will happen Week 1 noon game!
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by ElvisLives on Yesterday at 09:19:01 AM »
And the first one of us that has a Fair Catch Kick, get video and upload a link to it. Taking bets on how long it will take to see one.  ;D
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by ncwingman on Yesterday at 08:09:04 AM »
All of this got me digging a bit more into the existing rules - that you've probably already done yourself. The NCAA's statement on the rule change said they wanted to essentially have the same rule as the other codes.

The Fed rule, as you've been asking about elsewhere, is essentially a free kick that can score. Formation, timing, clock status, first touching, etc... all of that is "free kick" standard.

The NFL, on the other hand, treats it as a scrimmage kick with an odd formation, and all scrimmage kick regulations, timing, clock status, etc. apply. (11-4-3: "The rules for a field goal attempt from scrimmage apply to a field goal attempt following a fair catch (a fair catch kick).")

From what you've said so far, it sounds like the NCAA is copying the NFL rule over the Fed rule, so I would probably default to "Is this what would happen on a field goal?" as my thought process. Of course, they'll also change like three things randomly just to be difficult.

Edit - To add the rest of the NFL rule, that explicitly states that A cannot possess the ball until it has been touched by B, therefore an onside kick would be nonsensical.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by Legacy Zebra on Yesterday at 07:37:16 AM »
An onside kick wouldn’t make sense anyway, since A could have just snapped the ball after the fair catch anyway. Team A already has the ball. Why would they give B a chance to take it away? As far as everything else, I’m not sure why they’re mixing free kick and scrimmage kick rules for this. All they had to do was say “All free kick rules apply. Exception: if the kick passes through the goal in flight, Team A scores 3 points.” They’re making this way more complicated than it needs to be.
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NCAA Discussion / Not sure why I keep concerning myself, but…
« Last post by ElvisLives on April 19, 2026, 07:14:51 PM »
The likelihood of ever seeing one is infinitesimal, but, we’ll still be expected to know everything about a Fair Catch Kick. I heard from an unofficial, but reliable, source that the game clock will start on the kick for a Fair Catch Kick. That makes total sense, if everything (well, most everything) after the kick is to be treated like a scrimmage kick.
So, if that is the case, then having an onside kick would be non-sensical (B could just let the ball go OB or come to a stop, and have good field position at the previous spot).
I’m guessing:
-If unsuccessful and untouched by B, B gets the ball at the previous spot.
-Fair Catch made in B’s end zone, will be a true touchback (stupid move by B).
-Team A would not be allowed to touch the ball until it is touched by B.
-After a fair catch by B in the field of play, the ball would belong to B at that spot (even if behind B’s 25).
-The kicker would not be able to be blocked until he has advanced at least 5-yards beyond A’s restraining line or the ball has been touched by a B player, or has touched the ground after being kicked.

Let’s see how far off I am.
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