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Offline Wingmanbp

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Question on play in spring scrimmage
« on: May 08, 2013, 06:06:19 AM »
Team A is running a pass play. Ball is thrown 30 yards downfield incomplete.  B 55 strikes A 22( slot back)to the ground on a drag route 7 yards downfield as the ball flies high overhead. Do we have a flag for striking a defenseless player? I think so!
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2013, 08:14:38 AM »
Can't say "defenseless" on the description provided, but, IMO, definitely UNR.  ^flag
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2013, 10:29:47 AM »
It wasnt helmet to helmet but it was a blow that put the recievers back on the ground
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 05:17:42 PM »
Was it above the shoulders?
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 05:53:05 PM »
Probably more at the chest than anything
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 07:35:08 PM »
Even though this player might meet the definition of a defenseless player, it is not a foul as long as the hit was not to the head/neck area. If in the chest, unless it was way, way after the play was obviously over, it's just football. It's the type of play one would have to see to call correctly.
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 08:25:37 PM »
Quote from: TxSkyBolt on May 08, 2013, 07:35:08 PM
Even though this player might meet the definition of a defenseless player, it is not a foul as long as the hit was not to the head/neck area. If in the chest, unless it was way, way after the play was obviously over, it's just football. It's the type of play one would have to see to call correctly.
  That was my thought as well.  I would have to see it.  If in the "flow of play" it it just football.  Players get taken out.  If the Receiver was obviously out of the play and it was a non-football play, then I would have just a PF away from the play.
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2013, 03:03:13 AM »
Without having seen the play - who really knows...

The way I read it, the receiver was running across the field in front of a linebacker?
If the ball was not yet in the air and he got blown up, I don't think you have anything, he might not be expecting a hit from a LB, but he is a potential blocker and so the LB can engage him. With the ball in the air, the timing is important for me - the ball was not directed at this R, but is he defenseless? He is not concentrating on the ball, is not in a position that he would not expect to be hit... With a clean hard hit to the chest, I think I'm passing.

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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2013, 10:41:07 AM »
I don't believe we have a defenseless receiver as he is not airborne. However, the player is clearly not the receiver and the defensive player is not making a "football" play. From the description it sounds more like a cheap shot and as such would probably get a UNR.
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2013, 12:45:02 PM »
Quote from: mogul84 on July 17, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
I don't believe we have a defenseless receiver as he is not airborne.

The (NCAA) rule does not require the receiver to be airborne to be considered defenseless.
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2013, 06:22:32 AM »
Would this play fall under 9-1-12a or 9-1-12b? thoughts?
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Re: Question on play in spring scrimmage
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2013, 07:35:11 AM »
you have to see it but based on your description it seems like a clear candidate for a foul under 9-1-12
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