Sub Varsity Pay, UIL 1204 for 2013

[TexDoc]

I'm putting together a pay sheet for our chapter for sv games, and I've come across some unclear information from the UIL in the form of their 1204 rule.

This is what the UIL says:
Sub-Varsity and Junior High (7th & 8th Grade)
Each Game Per Official
12-minute quarters $45
10-minute quarters $40
8-minute quarters $35

We all know there are games with 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 minute quarters for SV games.  What do those individual games pay?

Here is my assumption:
Greater than 10 Minute Clock - $45
9 or 10 Minute Clock - $40
Less than 9 Minute Clock - $35


What are the other chapters doing?

[CenTexZebra]

We are doing 8 or less is $35, 9 or 10 minute qtrs is $40 and 11 and 12 are $45

[Joe Stack]

The stink here is we've been getting $45 and even $50 for JV games for years. I can no longer work much subvarsity due to the rates.

[JasonTX]

Doc, you may want to hold off on making a paysheet.  TASO is creating a state-wide paysheet that all chapters will use.  Each official will fill one out. 

[CenTexZebra]

Is the one TASO is making going to use the metro or the non-metro mileage rates?

[TexDoc]

It won't be as slick as the one I put together.  It automatically calculates all fees.  No second guessing.  That way all of the pay sheets gives to each school have the exact same fees.   I need to send it to you.

[940AC]

The stink here is we've been getting $45 and even $50 for JV games for years. I can no longer work much subvarsity due to the rates.

With all due respect, if you're in it for the "work", you're not in it for the right reasons.

[JasonTX]

Is the one TASO is making going to use the metro or the non-metro mileage rates?

They will send what each chapter decided on a pay sheet to reflect that mileage.

[TxBJ]

If you've been getting $45 or $50 for years then your chapter has been violating the rules and is part of the problem.

[Arbitrator]

With all due respect, if you're in it for the "work", you're not in it for the right reasons.

Notwithstanding those extremely low number of chapters that might abuse the pay system, you've got to keep in mind that while using massive amounts of time for staying in good physical shape and keeping abreast of the rules, mechanics, and the ever-changing administrative directives, an official should be able to carry out his officiating endeavors without making it an annual cost center.

After all, a certain agency attached to the U. S. Treasury Department will only allow losses for a certain amount of time before it will quickly declare your zebra-striped avocational "business" as a "hobby" with no discernible write-offs. 

[Cowman52]

Grandpa would have said" if 5 bucks is affecting your work,  you were probably overpaid from the start."

[Cowman52]

As you would guess, the griping has started over the number of cars driven input from T T has been less than encouraging. Supposedly driving 3 cars to a game and getting the  2 riders fees is "unethical"  officials are "supposed" to ride together regardless of what 1204 says.  This from the volleyball guys. We have 1 school at 63 miles round trip,  the pay scale can vary by 110 dollars depending on how many cars.

[Wingmanbp]

riding together is almost impossible for our crew we are too spread out. 1 southwest of fort worth, 2 in north fort worth and 2 in midcities, Arlington, grand prairie area. And most of our games are in north Texas. So we will ride together some but not for very long. Like me for instance I would have to drive to Keller to meet someone and then ride the last 30 minutes. although every little bit helps it does make it difficult to ride together. However we do our best to figure out the best way to ride together if possible.

[TexDoc]

Unless someone on the crew has kids, officials most likely don't have a large SUV to carry 5, 6 or 7 full grown men.  I think 2 cars is reasonable any time you require more than 4 officials. 

[Joe Stack]

If you've been getting $45 or $50 for years then your chapter has been violating the rules and is part of the problem.

The chapter has actually told the schools, when contacted about pay issues, to refer to 1204 directly. So, no, the chapter has not been violating anything.

The problem is actually that TASO allows UIL to dictate the rates we can charge when we have the ability to contract with school districts ourselves -- and the districts are more than willing to do just that. Even in the lawsuit TASO refused to bring this up and for the life of me I can't figure out why.

[DallasLJ]

The chapter has actually told the schools, when contacted about pay issues, to refer to 1204 directly. So, no, the chapter has not been violating anything.

The problem is actually that TASO allows UIL to dictate the rates we can charge when we have the ability to contract with school districts ourselves -- and the districts are more than willing to do just that. Even in the lawsuit TASO refused to bring this up and for the life of me I can't figure out why.

  I think the new legislation took care of this.  Officials are bound by 1204 for pay.  We cannot set or negotiate our own rates.

[Arbitrator]

The chapter has actually told the schools, when contacted about pay issues, to refer to 1204 directly. So, no, the chapter has not been violating anything.

The problem is actually that TASO allows UIL to dictate the rates we can charge when we have the ability to contract with school districts ourselves -- and the districts are more than willing to do just that. Even in the lawsuit TASO refused to bring this up and for the life of me I can't figure out why.

 

While it may be a tad too late to do anything regarding mileage rates for 2013-14, it certainly is not for 2014-15 and beyond! A plurality of TASO members must let TASO know that beyond this school year, the       "Manor Road Shell Game    will not be acceptable. When the Good UIL Dr. gets away with "three layers of rings" based solely on how the UIL Buzzard gets to the game sites ~ in a straight line from a well-known UIL-designated cesspool, as opposed to how normal people get there ~ over the twisting and turning miles that the highways dictate, it's not surprising that their "Shell Game" is holding us hostage in order to save the school districts a magnanimous amount of money, shortchanging the officials what is judiciously due them.

I'd wager the farm that when  Good Ole Uncle Charlie's  Dancing Monkey drove his ride up to Los Colinas from Austin to be reviled by TASO, that his Manor Road Expense Report showed actual portal to portal mileage for his personal reimbursement. Just ask  Dear Ol' Uncle Charlie: he, no doubt, signed off on it! 

On second thought, I understand that    Uncle Charlie made that very same trip to get in on a round of free TASO golf. Wonder if his own expense account mileage had him taking linear mileage? In any event, it undoubtedly must be nice to be able to approve your own expense report!

[rsquare]

Let's not forget his per diem for meals, fancy cigars etc and TASO probably picked his tab up additionally...