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Offline TXMike

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Targeting on Pass Plays
« on: August 26, 2013, 12:19:12 PM »
3d and 10 at the A-30.  A's pass to A80 at the 50 is tipped by A80 just as he is targeted by B22 (flag thrown).  Ball goes up in the air and A88 grabs it and falls to the ground at the B-40.  Ruling?

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Re: Targeting on Pass Plays
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2013, 12:36:28 PM »
Good question Mike.  I'd go with A 1st & 10 at the B-25.  I read the targeting enforcement as intended to be a succeeding spot foul, but the language should probably be a bit clearer.  Probably does not need the language "For dead-ball fouls .."

Ex:  PENALTY—15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules.

I can't believe that when a high priority PF that potentially includes a DQ RR would intend that Team A would have to decline the penalty enforcement to keep the result of the play.
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Re: Targeting on Pass Plays
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2013, 01:03:35 PM »
3d and 10 at the A-30.  A's pass to A80 at the 50 is tipped by A80 just as he is targeted by B22 (flag thrown).  Ball goes up in the air and A88 grabs it and falls to the ground at the B-40.  Ruling?

Team A will decline the penalty. 
A 1/10 @ B-40
B22 is DQed.

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Re: Targeting on Pass Plays
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2013, 01:07:18 PM »
An enforcement spot is not specified so three-and-one should apply. 15 yards from the basic spot which is the previous spot in this case.

A player is DQed for the foul, not an accepted penalty so he is still gone.
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Re: Targeting on Pass Plays
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2013, 05:02:43 PM »
Dr Redding has replied.  DQ but 3 and 1 enforcement

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Re: Targeting on Pass Plays
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 07:19:31 PM »
The one I'm waiting to see is a receiver going high in the air to catch a pass and the DB hitting him at the knees while he is still in the air, flipping him over so he hits the ground on his head, back. 

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Re: Targeting on Pass Plays
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2013, 05:22:42 PM »
How about this slight variation:

3rd and 10 at the A-30.  A's pass to a crossing A80 at the 50 is caught just before crossing receiver A81 (just beyond A80) is targeted by B22 (flag thrown).  A80 continues running and is tackled at the B-40 where the ball becomes dead in Team A's possession.  Ruling?
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Re: Targeting on Pass Plays
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 05:31:03 PM »
If you judge it was after the receiver became a runner then enforce from end of his run