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Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« on: December 13, 2014, 07:13:38 PM »
 ^no. All the officials out there. What is your call on the play where the Steele kid went out of bounds then came back in and caught touchdown. I really think he should have been ineligible on the play. If that is the case then there can't be a DPI either. Just wondering what everyone else thinks.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2014, 07:19:58 PM »
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2014, 07:20:19 PM »
Video is here - http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=11550.0

The DPI is what caused him to be OOB so that part is OK (DPI ).  The only question that needs to be answered is did he get one foot on the ground in bounds before he touched the ball.  If he did not, then it is an incomplete pass but enforce the DPI.  If he did then it is a completion, TD, DPI declined.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2014, 08:14:56 PM »
According to the replay he did get on foot back in bounds before touching the ball.  The crew got it right.  Great Job!
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2014, 09:57:47 PM »
Quote from: TXPanhandle on December 13, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
According to the replay he did get on foot back in bounds before touching the ball.  The crew got it right.  Great Job!
  Not sure about that.  Watch is slow enough and it looks like the WR touches the ball with his outstretched hand before his foot actually hits inbounds in the EZ.  If ball hits hand before foot hits ground -- he is not reestablished himself and it is IC.

  Very close play.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2014, 10:08:00 PM »
That is how I saw it DallasLJ. He never established himself. I wasn't even sure if he was pushed out. I was thinking it was illegal touching on Steele.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2014, 10:43:12 PM »
I have the receiver being forced out.  I would definitely have DPI here.  As far as the touching?  I'm leaning toward saying that the ball was touched before the foot came down.  That said,  I can't even be certain about that after looking at the frame by frame. 

Tough call on a close play.  I'll stick the with judgement of the on-field officials.

 ^good
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 01:41:59 AM »
In my opinion, for getting one look at it, in real time, i got  ^good

Very close play, and a good job on getting the DPI as well.  Receiver was definitely forced out as the ball was in the air.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2014, 09:49:51 AM »
I agree same here ^good
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2014, 09:52:23 AM »
I think the replay would have the call stand. You can't really confirm it either way with these angles.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2014, 12:29:59 PM »
My only beef when I saw that was why bother signalling IT? Thank goodness he had a mic but that could get confusing.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2014, 11:30:19 AM »
Prime example of the need of 7 officials on the field. The field judge could determine better if he was forced out, did he immediately try to return to the field of play and if the receiver returned back and established himself before the touching. There needs to be seven officials on the field during playoffs.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2014, 12:30:13 PM »
Quote from: carrollyp1 on December 16, 2014, 11:30:19 AM
Prime example of the need of 7 officials on the field. The field judge could determine better if he was forced out, did he immediately try to return to the field of play and if the receiver returned back and established himself before the touching. There needs to be seven officials on the field during playoffs.

  Agreed, but easy to say and hard to do.  Work 5 all season long and start adding two officials.  Mechanics change.  Do 2 guys you are adding having experience with 7 man -- specifically at SJ and FJ.  If so, aren't you really just adding college guys who haven't worked much HS during the season.  If not, then you have 2 people "out of position" and people may not be looking where you think they should be looking.

  Now, if we could find a way to do 7 man for 5A / 6A throughout the state during the regular season . . .
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2014, 12:42:09 PM »
Tune in to FSSW Friday afternoon (4P) and you can see how it might work    ;)
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2014, 01:10:54 PM »
Quote from: DallasLJ on December 16, 2014, 12:30:13 PM
  Agreed, but easy to say and hard to do.  Work 5 all season long and start adding two officials.  Mechanics change.  Do 2 guys you are adding having experience with 7 man -- specifically at SJ and FJ.  If so, aren't you really just adding college guys who haven't worked much HS during the season.  If not, then you have 2 people "out of position" and people may not be looking where you think they should be looking.

  Now, if we could find a way to do 7 man for 5A / 6A throughout the state during the regular season . . .
I havent studied 7 man mechanics much but im pretty sure if these guys did call games in NCAA then they are pretty fluent with the high school mechanics since they are the same
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2014, 01:35:14 PM »
1 thing is for sure..if you are the # 1 receiver on either side of the formation you better not even think about fouling and the guy covering you better not breathe on you wrong cause it will be seen by at least 2 and maybe 3 sets of eyes.   ;D
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2014, 01:52:20 PM »
Talked to the B from this game last night. He assured me he definitely got his foot in-bounds. Not that it was his call, but apparently the H was 100% sure he was back in.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2014, 01:59:09 PM »
Quote from: TXMike on December 16, 2014, 01:35:14 PM
..if you are the # 1 receiver on either side of the formation you better not even think about fouling and the guy covering you better not breathe on you wrong cause it will be seen by at least 2 and maybe 3 sets of eyes.   ;D
I know your comment is intended tongue-in-cheek, but it brings up the real problem of working 7 man for 1 or 2 games at the end of the year when you haven't worked it all season long. If you have 3 sets of eyes covering 1 receiver and 1 DB, you've defeated the entire purpose of going 7 man.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2014, 02:04:04 PM »
Quote from: clearwall on December 16, 2014, 01:52:20 PM
Talked to the B from this game last night. He assured me he definitely got his foot in-bounds. Not that it was his call, but apparently the H was 100% sure he was back in.
As a former back judge...the last person I want making an inbounds/out of bounds call on a sideline is the B.  He may be right, but not the source I would rely on
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2014, 02:05:36 PM »
Quote from: Rulesman on December 16, 2014, 01:59:09 PM
I know your comment is intended tongue-in-cheek, but it brings up the real problem of working 7 man for 1 or 2 games at the end of the year when you haven't worked it all season long. If you have 3 sets of eyes covering 1 receiver and 1 DB, you've defeated the entire purpose of going 7 man.
Unfortunately it is not tongue in cheek based on what we have seen over the past few years as crews "adjusted" to 7 man in a late season game. 
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2014, 03:48:54 PM »
Quote from: DallasLJ on December 16, 2014, 12:30:13 PM
Do 2 guys you are adding having experience with 7 man -- specifically at SJ and FJ.  If so, aren't you really just adding college guys who haven't worked much HS during the season.
Is adding two officials who worked those positions at the college level(same rules/mechanics) a bad thing? Seems like it could only benefit the crew...
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2014, 04:26:22 PM »
Quote from: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
Is adding two officials who worked those positions at the college level(same rules/mechanics) a bad thing? Seems like it could only benefit the crew...

  Yes and No.  Yes it is helpful to that specific game -- but my issue is that most officials in every chapter resent games going to guys that haven't been there all season.  So, if you are going to put "college guys" in Playoff games that have only worked 5 or 6 high school games, how is that "fair" or "equitable" to the rest of the chapter members.  And if the SJ and FJ are not "college guys", then I have problems with people being "out of position" for 1 or 2 games a year.

  Much better idea is to get the schools to pay for 7 for all 5A/6A games.  Then we are really developing SJs and FJs all year long.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2014, 04:43:09 PM »
Quote from: DallasLJ on December 16, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
Much better idea is to get the schools to pay for 7 for all 5A/6A games.  Then we are really developing SJs and FJs all year long.
I agree but a lot more goes into than just getting schools to agree. Have to make sure each chapter has the man power to cover all existing assignments(chains, box, clocks, sub V, etc) plus adding 2 officials to each crew. Houston has around 900-1000 members and this would be extremely difficult to cover.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2014, 10:07:05 PM »
Quote from: HoustonRef on December 16, 2014, 04:43:09 PM
I agree but a lot more goes into than just getting schools to agree. Have to make sure each chapter has the man power to cover all existing assignments(chains, box, clocks, sub V, etc) plus adding 2 officials to each crew. Houston has around 900-1000 members and this would be extremely difficult to cover.
  I thought some crews only have a subvarsity schedule.  Can't they be used for 7 man purposes.  Just talking 6A and 5A.  Sounds like an opportunity for better marketing.  Maybe have the schools supply the chains like they do now for SV.
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Re: Cibolo Steele catch in the end zone for touchdown
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2014, 10:55:01 PM »
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Have to make sure each chapter has the man power to cover all existing assignments(chains, box, clocks...
  LOL LOL Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Most chapters outside of Houston/Dallas/FW/SA don't get officials to run those things anyway. I think you guys could give up having 4 officials on the chain crew to start training F's and S's at the upper levels.
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