What would you say...

[blindref757]

if a crew was requested by the coaches to work a state final on Thursday and another one on Saturday?

[TXMike]

If I was the crew I would ask my Chapter bosses to go back to the 4 schools and work out something so I would only have 1 game. 

If I was the Chapter bosses I would explain the crew had been requested for 2 games and give the 4 teams the chance to work it out so that another crew gets selected for the 2d game.  If they do not agree to do so, and my Chapter does not have a policy prohibiting multiple championship games in the same year I would ask them to "do the right thing" and only accept 1 of the games.  The one they do not accept either goes to another crew or if the schools refuse to let another crew work it then respectfully decline the game. 

This could be avoided if the crew had told the secretary before the playoffs started they only wanted to have 1 game a weekend.  (And yes I know crews that have done that).

[psv]

or option E:

Work them both.

[clearwall]

or option E:

Work them both.

And the genesis of the playoff assignment fiasco is uncovered.

[HoustonRef]

Work them both. This should not even be a question. If crews can work Thurs Fri Sat each week during the regular season then why should they turn one back now? Also, under our current system it would be unfair to the schools of the game that misses out on the crew they agree on.

[Mister Umpire]

Let’s face it guys, not all of us are going to work a Texas HS Championship game in our officiating career. Only a few of us will achieve and be granted that honor. However, most of us know and are friends of the officials that get this reward. Just be happy for them. We have all worked a big game this 2014 season during August to December. In just eight months, we will be working more big games. Congrats to the crews that will be working the 2014 Texas HS Championship games. Several thousand of Texas officials will be watching more of you than the game. Make us proud!

[TexDoc]

 

Let’s face it guys, not all of us are going to work a Texas HS Championship game in our officiating career. Only a few of us will achieve and be granted that honor. However, most of us know and are friends of the officials that get this reward. Just be happy for them. We have all worked a big game this 2014 season during August to December. In just eight months, we will be working more big games. Congrats to the crews that will be working the 2014 Texas HS Championship games. Several thousand of Texas officials will be watching more of you than the game. Make us proud!

 

[DallasLJ]

Work them both. This should not even be a question. If crews can work Thurs Fri Sat each week during the regular season then why should they turn one back now? Also, under our current system it would be unfair to the schools of the game that misses out on the crew they agree on.

  Unless there is a Chapter or TASO rule, then yes work them both.  But some chapters do have rules.  Unlike Houston, Dallas restricts crews to working 2 games per weekend in the draft during the regular season.  It is first come first serve in the lottery.  There are also restrictions on how many times a crew can officiate for the same school.  It is done as a balance between letting coaches get want they want, providing some balance among crews, and the equitable views to help develop and retain officials.

  I think the TASO Board could easily adopt a Playoff rule limiting any one crew to one game per week in the interests of balancing the needs of the coaches with the perception of fairness to all officials getting an opportunity (whether true or not).

  Just my 2 cents.

[HoustonRef]

So even under the "restrictions" of the dallas Chapter, it is perfectly fine to work these two games.

Personally, I don't think coaches should have any say in who works their games other than maybe a couple scratches . But I have made no effort to run for office and/or correct the issue so I'm not gonna whine about it.

[TXMike]

  I think the TASO Board could easily adopt a Playoff rule limiting any one crew to one game per week in the interests of balancing the needs of the coaches with the perception of fairness to all officials getting an opportunity (whether true or not).

  You are talking about the TASO Chapter Board right, not at the State level.  This is something that rightfully is handled at the Chapter level.

[blindref757]

I spoke to a well respected HS coach in our area today about this.  His exact words were, "I don't see a problem with it if the coaches requested the crew.  The game is a big deal and the coaches should get whoever they want and can agree on."

That is the system we have in place...the coaches run the show.  As long as they pick who works the games, assignments and schedules will be based on how well the R networks with coaches (and I want to be perfectly clear that I'm not accusing anyone of soliciting).  Right or wrong...it is what it is. 

In my opinion...TASO has failed as an organization for allowing the tail to wag the dog.  Any criticism of this situation needs to fall directly at the feet of TASO for allowing the UIL to dictate this asinine policy...and it isn't just a football issue.  Coaches drafting officials has always been wrong and it will always be wrong.

[JasonTX]

I would encourage the teams to choose another crew.  I did this with my crew this year during the second week of the playoffs.  I had two teams request my crew.  Since I went with a first come first served basis, that second game (perhaps the better game) was given to another crew in my chapter.

Another side of that is, why would you want to put the Saturday game in jeopardy.  Being that officials get injured all the time in games, what happens if some of the officials tweek something and the injury isn't revealed until you wake up on Saturday morning.  What happens then? 

[HoustonRef]

I would encourage the teams to choose another crew.  I did this with my crew this year during the second week of the playoffs.  I had two teams request my crew.  Since I went with a first come first served basis, that second game (perhaps the better game) was given to another crew in my chapter.

Another side of that is, why would you want to put the Saturday game in jeopardy.  Being that officials get injured all the time in games, what happens if some of the officials tweek something and the injury isn't revealed until you wake up on Saturday morning.  What happens then?

"Injured all the time"?? Maybe its a good thing you limit yourself to one game a week.

[copedaddy]

I can't understand why there is so much resistance to the UIL setting up a chapter rotation for playoff games. They do it in every other sport. Football is not "special". Let the coaches pick in the first three rounds. Week four and on is a rotation by chapters predetermined by the UIL. In week 4 there are 44 games. If 4 games are given to each chapter, then 11 chapters are guaranteed four quarter final games. The next week another 11 chapters are given 2 semifinal games. That is almost every chapter in the State has now had a quarter or semi game. The finals have 10 games which go to 10 different chapters which could be a different set up such as its own rotation or lottery system.
Now who gets to call the games is up to the chapters--which is another "hot topic" in and of itself.
If a chapter has two semi games, the next year it will be in the rotation of a quarter final and vise versa. It would not be a great system, but more playoff games would be available to smaller chapters that never get to work past the second or third round. True large chapters get fewer games, but hey go join a smaller chapter.
It is time to take the "sacred cows" out of the system.

[Etref]

NO! We do not want nor need the UIL involved in game assignment more than they are, period.

I have worked in several chapters. Each had slightly different game assignment methods. Chapter assigns all games, coaches draft all games and a mix of both.

Believe me when I say this, none of the systems are perfect. Someone always feels they got the shaft somehow. Do there need to be limits, sure but they need to be decided by each chapter. For instance, no maore than two games a week, limit the number of times a crew can work a particular school, crew formation, etc. But keep it at a local level. What works in Houston/Dallas may not work in Tyler, Amarillo, Pecan Valley, etc.

[JasonTX]

"Injured all the time"?? Maybe its a good thing you limit yourself to one game a week.

I'm speaking statewide, that there are injuries that occur each week.  As for me and my conditioning.  That's funny.  I run about 4.7 in the 40 and can run 3 miles in 21 mins so dont even call my conditioning into question.  I have never been injured but it can happen to anyone at any time.

[HoustonRef]

I run about 4.7 in the 40 and can run 3 miles in 21 mins.

I hope you weigh more than 250lb otherwise those are not impressive numbers.

[JasonTX]

I hope you weigh more than 250lb otherwise those are not impressive numbers.

I never said I was trying out to be a player in the NFL.  I'm just saying that my conditioning is not an issue with me.  Just watch, someone this weekend will get hit by a player and get taken out and lets just hope its not one of the guys on the crew with two games.  It doesn't matter how fast or what kind of shape your in, if you get hit by a player and you tearing something has nothing to do with conditioning.

[HoustonRef]

Let's hope that doesn't happen.

I never said anything about conditioning, you did. You said injuries happen all the time(which I disagree with), so I assumed you're injury prone, then made the statement it is probably good for you to limit yourself to one game a week.

[TexDoc]

HoustonRef = troll.   Time to ban please

[Rulesman]

HoustonRef = troll.   Time to ban please

He's the only poster linked to the IP address he is using. He hasn't said a thing worthy of a ban and has as much of a right to be here as you. If he has multiple logins, prove it. Want to throw stones publically? Provide facts... or shut up.

[williebe]

Well JasonTx thats a pretty good time for a 3 mile run considering by army pt standards, and im pretty sure you're close to or at 40, that if you run 2 miles in 14:00 mins you score a 97 out of a possible 100. But looks like HoustonRef is a better cyber athlete and cyber official than anybody out there.

[HoustonRef]

Well JasonTx thats a pretty good time for a 3 mile run considering by army pt standards, and im pretty sure you're close to or at 40, that if you run 2 miles in 14:00 mins you score a 97 out of a possible 100. But looks like HoustonRef is a better cyber athlete and cyber official than anybody out there.

Dang, Willie. I didn't mean to get in the middle of whatever you and Jason have going on. It sounds serious.

I am a very good cyber athlete and cyber official, but I'm even better in real life.

[JasonTX]

Dang, Willie. I didn't mean to get in the middle of whatever you and Jason have going on. It sounds serious.

I am a very good cyber athlete and cyber official, but I'm even better in real life.

Chuck Norris is that you?