Swinging Gate Mechanics

[TXMike]

PAT - swinging gate formation - A has a kicking tee.

Does your crew set up in FG mechanics or scrimmage play mechanics and then switch to FG mechanics if they shift to normal FG formation?

[Etref]

Normally set up as a run play , then when they shift the L has to beat feet to his upright.

Would like to see the mechanic change to leave the L where he is and the U drop back to the post

[Etref]

Why does the word s h I f t change to hot air in all of the post?

[Rulesman]

Why does the word s h I f t change to hot air in all of the post?

Because there is one clown out there who tried to bypass the rules. It's been fixed.

[DallasLJ]

Normally set up as a run play , then when they shift the L has to beat feet to his upright.

Would like to see the mechanic change to leave the L where he is and the U drop back to the post

  Would like to see this mechanics change.  Was watching a clip from a trick play on a swinging gate.  As part of the shift, a Team A player headed back towards his sideline, and stopped about the numbers at the 15 yard line, turned, faced the GL, got set and went out for a pass.  The L never saw the player because he was busting to get to the post and the Referee had his back to the player because he was focused on the Holder and Kicker.  There was literally no one making sure the player got set before the snap.  Moving the U back to the post would allow the L to watch the player the entire way.

  Nothing is perfect.  You move the U back, and you have to worry about early contact on the Center and leaping players.

[Coby]

I believe on a swinging gate the R is the one that needs to move the most and be out of position.  Where ever the gate starts the R should be on that hash 12 yds back.  When they move he moves.


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It is all about competitive matchups.  Why put all of the strain on the HL/LJ on that side?  The U can watch the snap no prob.  You do not want the BJ to do more then shade that way because the WR on the opposite side is their best WR 99 out of 100 times.

[TexDoc]

PAT - swinging gate formation - A has a kicking tee.

Does your crew set up in FG mechanics or scrimmage play mechanics and then switch to FG mechanics if they shift to normal FG formation?

Yes, start in normal scrimmage play mechanics and then L has to haul his rear to the upright when the shift.  I believe that's the current mechanic.

[Etref]

I believe on a swinging gate the R is the one that needs to move the most and be out of position.  Where ever the gate starts the R should be on that hash 12 yds back.  When they move he moves.


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It is all about competitive matchups.  Why put all of the strain on the HL/LJ on that side?  The U can watch the snap no prob.  You do not want the BJ to do more then shade that way because the WR on the opposite side is their best WR 99 out of 100 times.

Do you mean the R should move to the side with the gate formation?

R should always be wide on the L side on EP. If L goes under the pipes, R has to cover sideline and eventually GL if it goes that way

[TexDoc]

Do you mean the R should move to the side with the gate formation?

R should always be wide on the L side on EP. If L goes under the pipes, R has to cover sideline and eventually GL if it goes that way

I don't think R gets to the GL.  He gets to sideline.  U has to step up to GL to help if needed.  L move down end line to intersection with sideline.  This is one of the biggest weaknesses in 5 man.

[Etref]

I agree U should step up but that is not what they teach the U nor is it in TASO mechanics.

[TexDoc]

There was a lot of talk about putting the U under the upright at one time.  He'd be the least out of position, and it keeps the GL covered, and no scrambling on SG plays.  The U just has to stay focused on the snap until ball is kicked.  But the question then becomes, who covers the interior line play when the U is look straight up his upright?

[TxSkyBolt]

There was a lot of talk about putting the U under the upright at one time.  He'd be the least out of position, and it keeps the GL covered, and no scrambling on SG plays.  The U just has to stay focused on the snap until ball is kicked.  But the question then becomes, who covers the interior line play when the U is look straight up his upright?

if he's looking straight up, fouls on the interior (except flagrant PF) are of no consequence to the play....it's over. Wings can handle PF interior.


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[Etref]

There was a lot of talk about putting the U under the upright at one time.  He'd be the least out of position, and it keeps the GL covered, and no scrambling on SG plays.  The U just has to stay focused on the snap until ball is kicked.  But the question then becomes, who covers the interior line play when the U is look straight up his upright?

U tells lineman "give me one second on the center" backs up a couple of yards and is at the post. Like Brad said anything once the ball is at the post the wings and R can handle

[Rulesman]

U tells lineman "give me one second on the center" backs up a couple of yards and is at the post.

Let's hope he gets there before the play clock runs out.   

[HoustonUmp]

Our crew mechanic is to have L under post and R is about 3 yards from sideline on L side at the 5 yard line.  Since 95+% of time the offense shifts to kick formation it is easier this way than having L bust it to get there.  When the team shifts the R moves back to normal position for try.  If the team runs a play from gate formation we have both sidelines covered.  The L goes parallel to his sideline.  R has the sideline and pylon, as he slides to sideline and goal line in this situation.