Author Topic: Crew Communication 2-Way Radios / Headsets Prohibited (Read 39941 times)

DallasStripes · « **on:** March 03, 2015, 10:30:27 AM »

Per the notes from the football board of directors meeting, these will no longer be permitted unless they are truly secure communications systems and have been pre-approved by TASO.

"· Microphones for officials other than the R are prohibited. Protected wireless communication systems open only to the crew and observers may be allowed if approved by TASO prior to use on the field."

Etref · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2015, 12:16:39 PM »

How do we get them certified?
What is the reasoning behind taking them away? It is a good tool when used properly. If you had a crew or crews mis-use them, punish those crew not the ones who use it correctly!

Welpe · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2015, 04:02:14 PM »

It seems the concerns are based around crews using the FRS radios you can buy at the store. Those aren't secure and would be susceptible to eavesdropping.

Etref · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2015, 04:07:58 PM »

So what! If a coach or a fan heard, I have DPI,# 22? Or FALSE START # 88? They are going to hear it sooner or later.

Or a U or R reminding wings "goal line" what is the big deal?

Like I said earlier, if an official is making remarks about the coach, fans or other crap----- he shouldn't!

Keep it related to the game and there should be no problem

DallasLJ · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2015, 04:58:28 PM »

Is asking where we are going to eat after the game considered game related?

Etref · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2015, 07:57:11 PM »

Depends on the score.

hefnerjm · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2015, 09:24:53 PM »

Back to Et's question....how do they get "certified"? And if you cant buy them at the store, where do you buy them?

TexDoc · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2015, 07:40:54 AM »

You can buy them online. They need to be scrambled and full duplex to be very effective.

http://www.eartec.com/wirelesscommunic.html

Welpe · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2015, 08:16:44 AM »

Quote from: Etref on March 03, 2015, 04:07:58 PM

So what!

It's always the innocuous comment, which may be completely germane to the game being called, that seems to get blown out of proportion.

I see no problem with being careful here.

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2015, 09:43:54 AM »

I've wondered if all could be on a conference call with muteable blue tooth ear piece/microphone. Very. Cheap solution possibly.

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Welpe · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2015, 10:25:04 AM »

I'm not taking my phone on the field, I don't get paid enough for that. Coby would probably keep texting me selfies anyways.

The old school Nextels might've been an idea.

Coby · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2015, 10:27:49 AM »

Stop being logical Skybolt.

We either need to go all in or stay caveman.

Option 1 Caveman

5 man crews, no placards on back, no communication, no replay, no HUDL

Option 2 Kick BUTT

7 man crews, placards on back, Go Pro cams on helmets of every official streaming live to our video review board (our ipad on the sideline) that we can also stream to the people that sign up on our website for our video service (I would pay $4.99 to watch every high school game in the state of Texas on demand for a year). Replay is very simple just rewind the gopro feeds on the ipads from the official with the best angle (quicker then NFL or College). With a comm link somehow to talk to each other.

Welpe--- Just think of all of the great highlight LJ HUDL videos I can post next year on here.

hefnerjm · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2015, 01:53:33 PM »

Quote from: Coby on March 04, 2015, 10:27:49 AM

Welpe--- Just think of all of the great highlight LJ HUDL videos I can post next year on here.

Why not save money and just go this route?
http://www.amazon.com/LiBa-Hidden-Camera-Video-Recorder/dp/B00SU71OYG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1425498753&sr=8-4&keywords=pen+spy+can

JasonTX · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2015, 03:33:41 PM »

Quote from: Coby on March 04, 2015, 10:27:49 AM

Stop being logical Skybolt.

We either need to go all in or stay caveman.

Option 1 Caveman

5 man crews, no placards on back, no communication, no replay, no HUDL

Option 2 Kick BUTT

7 man crews, placards on back, Go Pro cams on helmets of every official streaming live to our video review board (our ipad on the sideline) that we can also stream to the people that sign up on our website for our video service (I would pay $4.99 to watch every high school game in the state of Texas on demand for a year). Replay is very simple just rewind the gopro feeds on the ipads from the official with the best angle (quicker then NFL or College). With a comm link somehow to talk to each other.

Welpe--- Just think of all of the great highlight LJ HUDL videos I can post next year on here.

I can see it now. All your footage would show all 5 or 7 officials watching the flight of the ball.

TxJim · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2015, 07:49:36 PM »

Quote from: Coby on March 04, 2015, 10:27:49 AM

Go Pro cams on helmets of every official streaming live to our video review board

Actually, some GoPro video would be good from a few positions, and might be good from a recruiting standpoint from say a scrimmage, and post to youtube to generate interest in raising our numbers. Potential recruits getting to see what we see.
For video from the middle, most umpires are large enough that we could mount several cameras for 360 views.

TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2015, 10:58:58 PM »

At a clinic I wore a topro helmet at the U. Interesting perspective

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TxSkyBolt · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2015, 11:00:17 PM »

Quote from: hefnerjm on March 04, 2015, 01:53:33 PM

Why not save money and just go this route?
http://www.amazon.com/LiBa-Hidden-Camera-Video-Recorder/dp/B00SU71OYG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1425498753&sr=8-4&keywords=pen+spy+can

I remember a certain R who used one of those in a game. Doc, do you remember his name? Probably a lot better resolution now than back then.

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TexDoc · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2015, 01:58:36 AM »

Quote from: TxSkyBolt on March 04, 2015, 11:00:17 PM

I remember a certain R who used one of those in a game. Doc, do you remember his name? Probably a lot better resolution now than back then.

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Sure do. Got the coach in my grill after that call by BP on the kickoff at the end of the game.

Coby · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2015, 10:03:22 AM »

Quote from: JasonTX on March 04, 2015, 03:33:41 PM

I can see it now. All your footage would show all 5 or 7 officials watching the flight of the ball.

That is better then all 5 or 7 officials watching the drill team or scratching themselves or watching the drill team while scratching themselves.

Etref · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2015, 04:13:55 PM »

Quote from: Coby on March 05, 2015, 10:03:22 AM

That is better then all 5 or 7 officials watching the drill team or scratching themselves or watching the drill team while scratching themselves.

Probably better on the gopro than on the big board at the "Death Star"

clearwall · « **Reply #20 on:** March 10, 2015, 02:48:27 PM »

This is dumb...I challenge anyone to go to a game where radios are being used and see if you can find the channel that the crew is using. What are the odds that A)someone will actually DO this and B) will be able to actually find the channel that is being used? How would you accomplish this anyway? You'd have to be watching every crew member like a hawk(and if they had the lapel mics this would be hard as heck to notice) you'd have to very quickly run through all of your channels to hopefully find teh one they were on before they stopped talking. The logistics of trying to sneak into the convo for almost no benefit would be ridiculous. As it has been said here before, what's being discussed is probably going to be put on the speakers ANYWAY. UIL/TASO have much more important things to fix than this

TexDoc · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2015, 03:26:38 PM »

With the right equipment, the frequency can be determined immediately. I've got such equipment, but I seriously doubt many people would have a mobile spectrum analyzer, know what one is, or how to use it.

Etref · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2015, 03:31:33 PM »

Quote from: clearwall on March 10, 2015, 02:48:27 PM

This is dumb...I challenge anyone to go to a game where radios are being used and see if you can find the channel that the crew is using. What are the odds that A)someone will actually DO this and B) will be able to actually find the channel that is being used? How would you accomplish this anyway? You'd have to be watching every crew member like a hawk(and if they had the lapel mics this would be hard as heck to notice) you'd have to very quickly run through all of your channels to hopefully find teh one they were on before they stopped talking. The logistics of trying to sneak into the convo for almost no benefit would be ridiculous. As it has been said here before, what's being discussed is probably going to be put on the speakers ANYWAY. UIL/TASO have much more important things to fix than this

williebe · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2015, 06:18:26 AM »

Some other officials took it upon themselves to find an easier way to communicate with all crewmates in a game and our great, awesome TASO leadership did not come up with this idea and got all butt hurt so it lead to this.

TXMike · « **Reply #24 on:** March 11, 2015, 07:37:08 AM »

TASO did not "come up" with this. The policy in place is the same as that in the NCAA. TASO did not "come up" with black bean bags, black pants, 7 man crews, umpire helmets, or any one of many things that we use now but that did not cause the leadership to get "butt hurt" and not adopt them.