Preseason Video Clips #1

[TXMike]

http://www.brainshark.com/arbitersports/vu?pi=zGazjKETozG8HLz0

Watch the videos, take the poll. This is gonna be interesting

[Getting Fat]

This was very well done.  Could do without al the interruptions (and the timing of the interruptions) in the Hudl video, but very well done.

[BlindZebra]

So how am I to know if I picked the correct response to the poll?  As I did pick with the majority, how are we to know if we were correct in calling the play in question?  The percentages are good to show how the chapter is leaning, but there needs to be a correct answer to create consistency.  The narrator needs to come back and confirm if the plays are fouls or not...just like the "Low Block 3" when the coach came onto the field during play and he stated it should be a foul.  Just to have a poll that shows which answer was picked most isn't doing that much good.  While the video is great for TASO since there isn't much of this for officials to view, take it a step further and let the chapter know what is and what isn't a foul to build that consistency.

Thoughts?

[DallasLJ]

So how am I to know if I picked the correct response to the poll?  As I did pick with the majority, how are we to know if we were correct in calling the play in question?  The percentages are good to show how the chapter is leaning, but there needs to be a correct answer to create consistency.  The narrator needs to come back and confirm if the plays are fouls or not...just like the "Low Block 3" when the coach came onto the field during play and he stated it should be a foul.  Just to have a poll that shows which answer was picked most isn't doing that much good.  While the video is great for TASO since there isn't much of this for officials to view, take it a step further and let the chapter know what is and what isn't a foul to build that consistency.

Thoughts?

  Your absolutely right. I felt the same way.  I answered in the majority every time, but not happy.  For example, the first clip, the OPI.  By rule, I think it is OPI, but in real time, on that play, I am not sure by philosophy that I want that called.  Contact was close to the LOS and the ball appears to be in flight and beyond the contact.

[Etref]

So how am I to know if I picked the correct response to the poll?  As I did pick with the majority, how are we to know if we were correct in calling the play in question?  The percentages are good to show how the chapter is leaning, but there needs to be a correct answer to create consistency.  The narrator needs to come back and confirm if the plays are fouls or not...just like the "Low Block 3" when the coach came onto the field during play and he stated it should be a foul.  Just to have a poll that shows which answer was picked most isn't doing that much good.  While the video is great for TASO since there isn't much of this for officials to view, take it a step further and let the chapter know what is and what isn't a foul to build that consistency.

Thoughts?

I am sure at some point Mike or someone will post the results of the poll and the "correct" answers. Hopefully it will be done play by play in separate threads

[TexDoc]

I wouldn't call the first one OPI.  It had no affect on the play whatsoever. 

[DallasLJ]

I wouldn't call the first one OPI.  It had no affect on the play whatsoever.

  Agreed, but it was OPI by rule -- and OPI got the most answers.  Which is why I think a discussion should come with the clip so say that by philosophy we are not going to call it -- just like holding on the back side of the play.

[goodgrr]

Point 9 Low Block Flagged.

I'd have to disagree with the majority here.  It looks bad at first and certainly is low and back towards the end line, however looking at it all the way through the person who goes low has been pushed into the team B guy by the player he was previously blocking.

[hefnerjm]

  Agreed, but it was OPI by rule -- and OPI got the most answers.  Which is why I think a discussion should come with the clip so say that by philosophy we are not going to call it -- just like holding on the back side of the play.

This flag gets thrown by the BJ.  The slot guy is his key.  Unlike holding or low block at point of attack, OPI (or DPI for that matter) does not require a material impact on the play.  This is OPI because there is contact while the ball is in the air.  I think the BJ does a good job of staying with his key and judging the action without ball watching.

[hefnerjm]

I do love the multiple choice options though...and how many coaches (and some officials) think there is a 5 yrd buffer on PI.  "Only on Sunday coach"

And before I moved to Texas, there were tons of coaches under NFHS rules that would love to talk about the ball being uncatchable. 

[TXMike]

Point 9 Low Block Flagged.

I'd have to disagree with the majority here.  It looks bad at first and certainly is low and back towards the end line, however looking at it all the way through the person who goes low has been pushed into the team B guy by the player he was previously blocking.

Yep. And that is the point I was trying to make with this one.  If you only see the tail end of it, it is a bigtime foul.  But when you SEE THE WHOLE PLAY, it is obviously NOT a foul.  I need to go back and look at the U's explanation for why he flagged this (and why the B was not able to take him off of it)

[TXMike]

Current results are attached.  Pretty significant disagreement on the OPI and the 2d low block play but fairly consistent results on the others     

[Coby]

did you post the results?

[Etref]

Point 9 Low Block Flagged.

I'd have to disagree with the majority here.  It looks bad at first and certainly is low and back towards the end line, however looking at it all the way through the person who goes low has been pushed into the team B guy by the player he was previously blocking.

Definitely have to see the whole thing, first camera shot ,yea. Others definitely not. The B or L should have pulled him off it it

[TXMike]

did you post the results?

Just checking to see who is paying attention.   You win!!   

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[HoustonRef]

Answers to the video are below

OPI play: no foul
Low block flagged: foul
Low 1: No foul
Low 2:foul
Low 3: foul

[goodgrr]

Are those your answers Houstonref or the official ones?

[TXMike]

They are not the "official" ones.

[HoustonRef]

HoustonRef answers are the official answers.

[TXMike]

HoustonRef answers are the official answers.

May be the official ones for you but not THE official ones and certainly not all correct.  Not too many officials I know of who believe a player should be flagged for a low block when they are knocked on their rear part and into someone else

[TexDoc]

This flag gets thrown by the BJ.  The slot guy is his key.  Unlike holding or low block at point of attack, OPI (or DPI for that matter) does not require a material impact on the play.  This is OPI because there is contact while the ball is in the air.  I think the BJ does a good job of staying with his key and judging the action without ball watching.

He better be watching the whole play before that flag comes out.  I just don't think we need to flag this one. 

[Redriverref]

Being blocked into another player is not a foul.

[Etref]

The OPI should be called in my opinion. He initiated the action knowing it was a pass play.

IMHO

[goodgrr]

When do you intend publishing the "Official" answers?

[hefnerjm]

He better be watching the whole play before that flag comes out.  I just don't think we need to flag this one.

I hear what you are saying...maybe O Holding rather than OPI?