PreSeason Video Clips #2

[TXMike]

This one is a test of the technology to see if we can use this as part of the annual certification test.  Many guys says they can do better if they see a play and then give the ruling as opposed to try to mentally picture it from text.

http://www.brainshark.com/arbitersports/vu?pi=zGVzjOIdRzG8HLz0

Comments and suggestions please

[goodgrr]

Like it especially the weird KO.

Only comments I have are:

It would be good to restate the facts in the question, i.e 1st & 10 from A20, flag at 43, run ended at 49 etc.  Otherwise I found myself flipping back to the clip.

Would be good if on an incorrect answer it gave not only the rule references but also the correct answer with explanation.

[Etref]

I like it, some of the plays would have been very difficult to word out in a question

[Coby]

good videos I like the format better.


How about some actual educational videos as opposed to test questions?  Most of the Ref population does not have a rules pdf downloaded so saying Rule 4-7-8,9,10 really does not do anything for them.  One master video library of every penalty that we could refer back to would be of great benefit.  Something that is educational as opposed to evaluation.

[TXMike]

This week was intentionally designed to be a test session.  We want to see how it will work if we do some of this on the annual exam

[HoustonUmp]

Good teaching tool and good for testing.  I agree that correct answer should be provided somewhere is incorrect answer is chosen.

[hefnerjm]

Good teaching tool and good for testing.  I agree that correct answer should be provided somewhere is incorrect answer is chosen.

If an incorrect answer is chosen, not only provide the correct answer, but provide a short rationale behind the "why". 

This might be a bit more challenging to build out to give dynamic feedback based on which incorrect answer is given, but it will yield tremendous results in providing each individual official a course correction to mitigate the gap between their understanding and the interpretation from TASO/Chapter leaders.

[Etref]

Well it gives the rule cite---look it up and read the rule. That is what the testing is all about, find out what you know and then learn from the mistakes.

[BlindZebra]

I liked the idea.  Good to know someone is trying to improve the testing module.  My opinion, as little as it may be, is that the paper style will still be the best option right now.  As I am more inclined to visual examples, I still think having the words build a mental picture is easier than the video itself.  As I took the video quiz, I was a little confused by some things.  Eventually, taking the rules test by video will be the norm.

[goodgrr]

Well it gives the rule cite---look it up and read the rule. That is what the testing is all about, find out what you know and then learn from the mistakes.

Not always that easy, sometimes reading the cited rule (especially when you have interaction between various), hence why I feel that an explanation would be better as well so people can rad the rule and understand what parts they missed.

[dcref]

question what about this on 12 and 13 of this video

Free-Kick Recovery—ARTICLE 3
Approved Ruling 6-1-3
I. A33 illegally touches a free kick; then he or A44 illegally recovers the
kick. RULING: Both are instances of illegal touching. Unless there is
an accepted penalty or offsetting fouls, Team B may elect to take the ball
at any spot of the illegal touching.

[bkdow]

I'm not claiming to to be a rule expert in college rules but a learner.  In the strange KO, couldn't we shut it down after the entire kicking team was offside?  I couldn't find anything in the case book to address this situation but "Any foul that prevents the snap (e.g., false start, encroachment, defensive
offside by contact in the neutral zone, etc.) (A.R. 3-3-4-IV)"

I know the kicking team is not technically the offense but nothing good comes of this situation.

[TXMike]

question what about this on 12 and 13 of this video

Free-Kick Recovery—ARTICLE 3
Approved Ruling 6-1-3
I. A33 illegally touches a free kick; then he or A44 illegally recovers the
kick. RULING: Both are instances of illegal touching. Unless there is
an accepted penalty or offsetting fouls, Team B may elect to take the ball
at any spot of the illegal touching.

the exception is when the illegal touch spot is illegal recovery spot.  Ball belongs to b at that spot so the 5 yards can be tacked on

[TXMike]

I'm not claiming to to be a rule expert in college rules but a learner.  In the strange KO, couldn't we shut it down after the entire kicking team was offside?  I couldn't find anything in the case book to address this situation but "Any foul that prevents the snap (e.g., false start, encroachment, defensive
offside by contact in the neutral zone, etc.) (A.R. 3-3-4-IV)"

I know the kicking team is not technically the offense but nothing good comes of this situation.

you can do anything.  The issue is whether if what you do is supported by rule.  I don't think your solution is although hopefully te play clock would run out and then you could shut it down. 

[dcref]

the exception is when the illegal touch spot is illegal recovery spot.  Ball belongs to b at that spot so the 5 yards can be tacked on

where would you find this exception in the rule book?

thanks

[TXMike]

the exception is when the illegal touch spot is illegal recovery spot.  Ball belongs to b at that spot so the 5 yards can be tacked on

where would you find this exception in the rule book?

thanks

10-2-4 says you can enforce from where dead ball belongs to B. 6-1-6-a says a free kick recovered by A belongs to B at that spot unless A was in legal possession wen bal declared dead

[TxSkyBolt]

I'm not claiming to to be a rule expert in college rules but a learner.  In the strange KO, couldn't we shut it down after the entire kicking team was offside?  I couldn't find anything in the case book to address this situation but "Any foul that prevents the snap (e.g., false start, encroachment, defensive
offside by contact in the neutral zone, etc.) (A.R. 3-3-4-IV)"

I know the kicking team is not technically the offense but nothing good comes of this situation.

There is no KOF until the ball is kicked, so no rules reason to shut this down. Common sense tells us to shut this down. The ball is not alive, so the receivers cannot gain possession, nothing good can come from letting this progress. "Keep them on their feet" seems to apply here. Blow it dead and reload.

[HoustonUmp]

On the kickoff play don't we have offsetting fouls and have to replay the kick?  K was offsides and R was also offsides, as they had penetrated their restraining line prior to the ball being kicked.

[dcref]

ok rule book contradicts itself a little here.
touching and possession
rule 2 -4-1a definition of possession
rule 2-11-4 definition of touching (touching always precedes possession)
thanks

[BlindZebra]

ok rule book contradicts itself a little here.
touching and possession
rule 2 -4-1a definition of possession
rule 2-11-4 definition of touching (touching always precedes possession)
thanks

I don't understand where you are seeing contradiction.  In any kind of recovery, catch, etc. you have to have a touch before you gain possession.  The recovering player has touched the ball in the process of recovering the fumble.

[TXMike]

On the kickoff play don't we have offsetting fouls and have to replay the kick?  K was offsides and R was also offsides, as they had penetrated their restraining line prior to the ball being kicked.

there are 2 KO plays.  One the one you reference it was offsetting and rekick.  I think sky king is saying just shut it down and reset.  Same result

[copedaddy]

Looks like it might be a good learning tool. Would like to have explanation after each question.
With the 2nd kick play I just have to ask why did it take the white hat more than 20 seconds to get to the spot of the foul?

[hefnerjm]

So, I tried downloading a pdf version of the NCAA rulebook to my phone from NCAA.com/publications
However the rule references in the video dont match up to the NCAA rulebook.  (Im new to Texas, so maybe there is a special Texas rulebook?)

Example - on the forward toss, then flee flicker play (2nd play on the video) the reference is 7-3-2-d & penalty.
But in the NCAA book, there is Rule 7, Article 3, sections are a&b, then sub-sections are a1-3 and b1-2.

Maybe someone can point me to the correct rulebook?

[TXMike]

The book I have has Rule 7 Snapping and PAssing the Ball    Article 3 is Forward Pass.  Section 2 is Illegal Forward Pass and sub para d is the 2d forward pass in a down   Page FR-75

[hefnerjm]

This is the book I have:
http://saofficials.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/2014-Rule-Book-Update.pdf
2013-14 NCAA Rules and Interpretations

Realized that I was thinking the 2nd number was Article and not Section. 
Thanks for providing the page#.